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Must-Watch Finales: Scoop on 39 Season-Enders: Supernatural




Supernatural (CW)
Airs: Friday, May 20 at 8/7c


There are two distinct episodes in this two-hour fire-and-brimstone buffet event. For the appetizer, "Let It Bleed," Dean faces his worst nightmare when Lisa and Ben are unexpectedly abducted. In the main course finale, "The Man Who Knew Too Much," the war in Heaven comes to a head. Castiel faces off with Raphael and the walls holding back Sam's memories of Hell crumble. Someone (human? angel? demon?) will die and someone will be transformed. Prepare to gasp, possibly cry and write angry forum entries. Oh, and sorry, John Winchester won't show his face for the finale.


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Lisa and Ben - CAN WE STOP BEATING THIS DEAD HORSE ALREADY?? I'm really, really tired of these characters (even though I like Ben) and we'll once again have to go through Dean-angst because he can't be with them. We've done this HOW many times? Can we hope that it's Lisa who dies?  But no, that would leave Ben alone and that would be kinda cruel.

My guess is that either it's either Crowley, Raphael or Balthazar who dies and Cas is transformed into a human. Which would be fine with me. People keep bitching about the angels, so fine, make Cas a human and he can be a hunter-in-training next season. I think that would rock.

What are your guesses as to who dies and who transforms?

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Date: 2011-05-03 12:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sian265.livejournal.com
I am betting Cas gets killed off, with Misha not returning it would be like she that shall not be named to kill him off. I am wondering about Sam's walls, if he is the one transformed maybe to a veggie? And we see Dean angts all season 7?? Just throwing stuff out there!

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Date: 2011-05-03 01:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agt-spooky.livejournal.com
Well, it's still a rumor about Misha not returning, so until we get confirmation I'm holding out hope we'll still have Cas next season. [fingers crossed]

I didn't even think about Sam transforming into something! But hey, it's possible he comes out of this a changed man in some way.

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Date: 2011-05-03 01:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hezio2.livejournal.com
Dead horse is ded
Though I adore Lisa and Ben, I want Dean to have that happy life, I thought they did a good job of ending that story line.
Who transforms? Cas, he becomes human and he and Dean live happily ever after.
Who dies? Rapheal, Crowley and Sherif Mills (she's the only female I think is still alive besides Lisa. Though Lisa dying and Dean adopting Ben would probably make a lot of fic writers happy.)

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Date: 2011-05-04 12:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agt-spooky.livejournal.com
Dead horse is ded
Though I adore Lisa and Ben, I want Dean to have that happy life, I thought they did a good job of ending that story line.


I’m glad I’m not the only one who’s tired of Lisa and Ben popping up. And I like Ben! But that story is over and done with. Like you said, they did a good job of saying goodbye and ending it. So why do this all over again??

Who transforms? Cas, he becomes human and he and Dean live happily ever after.

Hee! I love it! Hey, Balthazar did say Cas was in love with Dean!

Who dies? Rapheal, Crowley and Sherif Mills (she's the only female I think is still alive besides Lisa.

Oh man, I forgot about the Sheriff! And she’s supposed to be in one of these last two eps! Good call. Yep, I think it just might be her. Which would suck for Bobby, because I thought the two of them were kinda cute together.

Though Lisa dying and Dean adopting Ben would probably make a lot of fic writers happy.)

Honestly? I’ve always thought Ben is really Dean’s son. Lisa’s explanation in The Kids are Alright as to why Dean wasn’t was so very, very weak. That DNA thing with the other guy she slept with made no sense.

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Date: 2011-05-04 11:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hezio2.livejournal.com
I thought the same thing about Lisa's explanation about Ben not being Dean's son.
I kept waiting for Micheal or Zach to threaten to use and destroy Ben (in Season 5) as a way to force Dean's decision.

I think the last couple eps have been just to fuel slash writers with all the Dean/Cas love.

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Date: 2011-05-03 01:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] khek.livejournal.com
I thought we were DONE with Lisa and Ben. *sigh* They keep ending the story, and then bringing them back. It's so very annoying. Maybe it's Lisa who will be killed, and Ben who'll be transformed...and then both will stay far, far away from our screens.

...we can hope, right?

They've kind of done in any extra characters, haven't they? All we really have left are Sam and Dean, Castiel, Bobby, Balthazar, Crowley and (sort of) Raphael. Death and Tessa too, I guess. Is Meg really dead? Is there anyone else? Adam? I suppose Lucifer, Michael and Gabriel are all gone along with him, so they're all out of the question. That leaves a pretty small pool to work with. (I'd really like to see John, but it sounds like that is out of the question.)

I fear Castiel is going to be one of the two projections...dying or being transformed. COuld it be that Death dies, and Castiel takes his place? That could be rather interesting... Or I supposed Crowley could be transformed into an angel and Lisa could die.

Whatever happens, I hope they get rid of the spectre of Lisa and Ben hanging over Dean. I don't think they fit into his life if Sam is around, and they just drag him down.

I can't believe they're advertising the finale already!

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Date: 2011-05-04 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agt-spooky.livejournal.com
I thought we were DONE with Lisa and Ben. *sigh* They keep ending the story, and then bringing them back. It's so very annoying.

Thank you! Glad I’m not the only one who’s tired of Lisa and Ben. Personally I think they’ve been given FAR too much importance.

Maybe it's Lisa who will be killed, and Ben who'll be transformed...and then both will stay far, far away from our screens.

LOL! That would be awesome! Probably a pipe dream, but yes, we can hope!

Death and Tessa too, I guess. Is Meg really dead? Is there anyone else? Adam? I suppose Lucifer, Michael and Gabriel are all gone along with him, so they're all out of the question

I stopped watching before Meg made yet another appearance in Caged Heat, so I’ve no idea if she survived that ep or not. I’ve heard zero rumors or spoilers about her or Adam or Gabriel appearing again.

That leaves a pretty small pool to work with. (I'd really like to see John, but it sounds like that is out of the question.)

Yeah, that’s why I’m guessing Crowley, Raphael or Balthazar who dies, since they’re the ones we’ve seen most regularly this season. As for JDM, I know the guy is busy, but you know he’d do SPN again in a heartbeat, because he loves the boys, so just as the man!

I fear Castiel is going to be one of the two projections...dying or being transformed. COuld it be that Death dies, and Castiel takes his place? That could be rather interesting... Or I supposed Crowley could be transformed into an angel and Lisa could die.

Whoa...Cas as the new Death? That just really blew my mind! Same with Crowley becoming an angel! Eric wrote the finale, so who knows what he’s got planned.

Whatever happens, I hope they get rid of the spectre of Lisa and Ben hanging over Dean. I don't think they fit into his life if Sam is around, and they just drag him down.

Exactly! We’ve been over it a million times that if Dean’s living the life of a hunter, he CAN’T have any kind of relationship with them. Which is exactly how this ep is going to go, too, especially if Lisa and Ben are abducted by some kind of creature. That should really reinforce that fact that he can’t be around them.

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Date: 2011-05-03 01:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sen1995.livejournal.com
Barb, there's also a preview clip for Ep. 6.20 here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr2dMRi0ydQ&feature=player_embedded

I don't want to speculate too much because there's really many ways this could go and I just want to see where they take us. I don't want to hope it goes one way and then be disappointed when it goes another! I know how I want it to end up - I'll give them leeway (to a point) in how they get me there!

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Date: 2011-05-04 12:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agt-spooky.livejournal.com
Ooh, you’re tempting me with more video, Deborah! LOL! I’m using all my willpower and have successfully stayed away. So far. :-)

I like the open-mindedness you’re giving the finale, but still hoping it goes a certain way. I know that Sam and Dean will survive, so if we can just keep Cas alive I’ll be a happy camper. :-)

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Date: 2011-05-04 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sen1995.livejournal.com
Sorry, Barb! Forgot you were trying to avoid videos through the finale! I won't attempt to tempt you again!

I will give you some of my speculation - I think Dean will find out that Cas has betrayed him in some way - maybe just the lying and collusion with Crowley, or maybe something to do with how Sam was brought back from the box without his soul - but Cas will redeem himself in Dean's eyes by sacrificing himself in some way (death? grace ripping?) to save Sam after the Great Wall of Sam crumbles.

That's all I got. My main criteria is as follows, in order of importance: (1) that Sam and Dean survive, whole and fully human; (2) that Bobby survives; (3) that Cas survives; and (4) just about anything else. How's that for specificity?
Edited Date: 2011-05-04 12:45 am (UTC)

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Date: 2011-05-04 11:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agt-spooky.livejournal.com
I will give you some of my speculation - I think Dean will find out that Cas has betrayed him in some way - maybe just the lying and collusion with Crowley, or maybe something to do with how Sam was brought back from the box without his soul

I think it was Cas all along who got Sam out of the cage, BUT that he had no idea he wouldn’t be taking Sam’s soul as well. He just wanted to rescue him like he did Dean and it ended up in disaster.

but Cas will redeem himself in Dean's eyes by sacrificing himself in some way (death? grace ripping?) to save Sam after the Great Wall of Sam crumbles.

I can absolutely, totally see Cas doing this. He’s got such a close relationship with Dean, that knowing how much he hurt Dean will make him do anything to redeem himself. Let’s just hope it doesn’t end in death!

That's all I got. My main criteria is as follows, in order of importance: (1) that Sam and Dean survive, whole and fully human; (2) that Bobby survives; (3) that Cas survives; and (4) just about anything


I loved how you made sure to say Sam and Dean stay human. :-)

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Date: 2011-05-03 01:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] m-lasha.livejournal.com
If I was placing bets in Vegas, I am going with Castiel dying, Sam being transformed (into an angel or demon) because of spoilers/rumors. Now I could be totally wrong and Castiel is transformed back into Jimmy to go back to his family and Crowley dies. Who knows at his point. :)

All I want to know is it May 13th yet? Lex Luthor returns!

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Date: 2011-05-04 12:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agt-spooky.livejournal.com
If the rumors about Misha are true, then yeah, it’ll be him that dies. But I’m holding out hope that’s not true. Have you heard something about Sam becoming an angel or demon??

I’m wondering about the Jimmy thing, though. I mean, Jimmy’s body is dead. He had to make the choice when he was dying (when Cas was inside his daughter) to let Cas back in or die from his wounds and he chose Cas. So could he be Jimmy again? I’d say no, but lord knows this show does whatever it wants, regardless of its own canon.

All I want to know is it May 13th yet? Lex Luthor returns!

LOL! Yes, hurry it along to May 13th already! I’m really hoping that Lex is in it a lot of the two hour finale. Have you been watching Michael on Breaking In? I only gave it a shot because of him and I actually LOVE the show! And I hate comedies! Michael is a freaking riot.

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Date: 2011-05-03 08:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosa-like-janj.livejournal.com
If Castiel was killed, I'd stop watching this show until I couldn't resist. He's been dead for twice, give us something new plz! Anyway, if that did happen, I don't think they'd kill Cas for good.

Why does the show have to bring back Ben and Lisa? I love them but I'd rather know more about Adam, Lucifer, Gabriel and Chuck...

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Date: 2011-05-04 12:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agt-spooky.livejournal.com
Sera Gamble would be the biggest fool in the world if she got rid of Castiel. That’s why I’m thinking he gets his grace ripped out for the shenanigans he’s been pulling lately and has to live life as a human.

Glad I’m not the only one sick of Lisa and Ben. Like you said, there are SO many other characters they could bring back, who are FAR more interesting.

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Date: 2011-05-03 09:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jaazza.livejournal.com
I was scrolling through my flist when I came across your entry and wanted to see what your theories were for the finale.
I'll throw my two bits in - totally left of field, with no supporting evidence whatsoever - but...I think the big reveal will have something to do with Lisa; she could be one of the 'higher ups' in heaven (above Castiel) who has been watching the Winchester boys all along.
Of course I hope I'm totally wrong, because that would make a sucky finale.
Hey writers - just bring back Papa Winchester, dammit!!

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Date: 2011-05-04 12:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agt-spooky.livejournal.com
Of course I hope I'm totally wrong, because that would make a sucky finale.

Oh PLEASE be wrong! Lisa has already been given FAR too much importance as it is. I’ll throw a shoe through my TV if it turns out she’s God’s right-hand-woman.

Hey writers - just bring back Papa Winchester, dammit!!

I know, right? I mean, yes, JDM is a busy man, but you know he’d do SPN again in a heartbeat - so why not ask the man??

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Date: 2011-05-03 12:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deanvica23.livejournal.com
i want that my dean become an angel
i think that lisa ben dies or cas-balthazar

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Date: 2011-05-04 11:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agt-spooky.livejournal.com
You know, I wanted Dean to become an angel back in season five, but not so much anymore, since the show keeps making all the angels out to be dicks. Let’s keep him human!

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Date: 2011-05-03 12:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pessen03.livejournal.com
I'm so tired of lisa and ben *just kill them already*
well I'm fine with season 7 just as winchesters come back but slightly less angsty..

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Date: 2011-05-04 11:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agt-spooky.livejournal.com
Glad I’m not the only one feeling that it’s time for Lisa and Ben to go. Someone else suggested that Cas wipe their memories of Dean, etc. I actually think that’s a good alternative to killing them and they’d still be finally gone out of Dean’s life and not leave him with even more man-pain that he couldn’t save them.

Less angsty! LOL! Yes, please!
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Date: 2011-05-04 11:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agt-spooky.livejournal.com
yup, agree with you. lisa and ben need to be killed off. we have already sunk that ship, and this is just another excuse for manpain.

Glad I’m not the only one feeling that it’s time for Lisa and Ben to go. Someone else suggested that Cas wipe their memories of Dean, etc. I actually think that’s a good alternative to killing them and they’d still be finally gone out of Dean’s life and not leave him with even more manpain that he couldn’t save them.

i personally hope that Cas is transformed to human again, but i wonder if he will be killed too defeating Raphael. *sigh* will see. would love to see him as hunter-in-training though!

I think Cas’s fate is more up in the air at this point than any other character and that makes me nervous. This could go so many ways and not all of them happy. I think that Misha is too popular of an actor for them to kill off Cas, so making him human would end the angel storyline and be a way for him to still stick around next season. I think Cas trying to find his way in the world as a human would actually be very interesting. And funny. :-)

or, i wonder if Dean will be transformed into something other than human to help Sam carry his memories of hell, maybe mind meld thingy? maybe like make Dean more like Sam, a demon boy? dunno, just hope no one key dies.

I’m thinking Dean’s head is already full enough with his own memories of Hell, but I do like the idea of him trying to help Sam somehow. Because that’s what big brothers are for!

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Date: 2011-05-03 10:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maguie.livejournal.com
"Can we hope that it's Lisa who dies?" What??? Nooooo Why are you saying that? :( I like Lisa.

I like Lisa cause is one of the few characters that is a strong character and is not a villian.

I like the part on episode 6x14 when Dean says:-Well then ask for something!!!..and Lisa says:-I can't ask for something. I know what I want. But I can't have it, not how you live.

I would love that that relationship could have worked a little more.. like when Lisa told Dean on 6x02 that Dean could come back to her house when he could, but maybe that was not a healthy relationship, and maybe it wouldn't work in the series.... but at the same time is kind of sad for me, cause Lisa and Ben were there for Dean when he must needed it, when he was grieving for Sam....

Or maybe if Cass could erase Lisa and Ben memories (if they are not going to come back) but I don't want them dead.

Although honestly I didn't like how the writers wrote Ben on 6.14 like he was more angry at Dean, they didn't wrote Ben sad or like he missed Dean badly.... I liked more the Ben of season 3, so I'm more worried for Lisa.

Have you noticed that Sam has never spoke with Ben???

hehe I read this spoilers in another site and in this part:
Oh, and sorry, John Winchester won't show his face for the finale.
then someone wrote:- DOES THAT MEAN WE'LL HEAR HIS VOICE??!!

hehe that made me laugh...

In the part where it says someone will be transformed... Im thinking in Cass to be an archangel or he is going to be Jimmy Novak again, however I don't think we are going to see him next season, ( maybe in a special episode).

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Date: 2011-05-04 11:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agt-spooky.livejournal.com
No, sorry, don’t like Lisa at all. Because she’s pointless, really. Dean (and Sam) will never be able to have a lasting relationship with a woman because of the lives they live as hunters. To have Lisa in the show one time was fine. It was a glimpse of something Dean was never going to have. And we know this. So to bring her back again and again and again is absolutely pointless and is a waste of an episode time and again. I just want her gone. Having Cas wipe their memories is a good idea, actually.

In the part where it says someone will be transformed... Im thinking in Cass to be an archangel or he is going to be Jimmy Novak again, however I don't think we are going to see him next season, ( maybe in a special episode).

I think Cas’s fate is totally up in the air at this point. Especially with that rumor about Misha going around. I’d prefer to have him become human so that we can end the angel storyline and still have Cas on the show. I don’t think he can be Jimmy, though, because Jimmy died in that warehouse. He’d have to still be Cas in Jimmy’s human body.

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Date: 2011-05-04 01:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winchesterwoman.livejournal.com
Reallllly?!!! Ben and Lisa?! I mean, what is the deal with showing those two people again? they must gone for good! Gosh, indeed this season was a entierley crap. First the souless sam, Dean couldn't get a family with Lisa and Ben, but definitely the boring way they were written is what make me sick. And then, castiel with the angel thing, and then the freaking mother. ( rolling my eyes) Well, one person dies. Could be castiel, catiel dies, and he becomes human. But you said that it would be great, but the show is suppouse to be of two brothes, then having another hunter is like.... it would be useless, wait, castiel can't become human forever, because his character the human part is terrible boring, so, what the people like is the way castiel is. so he can't be transformed. or he can be transformed but they will keep us the hiatus with how he will be again castiel? and someone who dies. mmmmm I don't know, could be Bobby? or maybe it could be crowly, you know... they love to show us bad things and then you realize that they lied with that. I don't think Lisa and Ben dies, I mean, could be that the nightmare is a matter of hallucination, becuase I can't find a good thing to bring them back, specially in the last episode. what for? it is something stupid.

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Date: 2011-05-04 11:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agt-spooky.livejournal.com
Reallllly?!!! Ben and Lisa?! I mean, what is the deal with showing those two people again? they must gone for good!

I have NO idea why we have to drag them back on the show AGAIN. Dean’s said goodbye to them HOW many times? It’s not like this episode is going to end any differently! It’s not like Dean’s going to marry Lisa and adopt Ben. No, it will just be more pointless angst with Dean driving off and leaving them yet again. That’s why I wish they’d just kill Lisa and get it over with.

Well, one person dies. Could be castiel, catiel dies, and he becomes human. But you said that it would be great, but the show is suppouse to be of two brothes, then having another hunter is like.... it would be useless, wait, castiel can't become human forever, because his character the human part is terrible boring

It wouldn’t be useless to have another hunter. We’ve got Bobby and he’s a great asset to the boys. Castiel could be, too. And if he is transformed into a human, it doesn’t mean he’ll become Jimmy, because Jimmy died in that warehouse. He’d still remain as Castiel, that personality. Which I think would be great, with him trying to learn to live life as a human with no angelic powers and no “people skills”.

I don't know, could be Bobby? or maybe it could be crowly, you know... they love to show us bad things and then you realize that they lied with that.

I have a good feeling about Bobby surviving, so I’m going to go with Crowley, unless they’re planning on keeping him around as the Big Bad again next season. If so, then perhaps it’s Raphael that dies, because they really do need a resolution to this “war in Heaven”.

We’ll find out in a few weeks!

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Date: 2011-05-10 08:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winchesterwoman.livejournal.com

I?have NO?idea why we have to drag them back on the show AGAIN.

----I don't know if you are on the list of: Andrea_ri, well he posted some pics of that episode and looks like that Lisa will be over the influence of something and Ben must call Dean to rescue her. I think that would be another parallel world, ( I know we have seen enough of them already) Because, I can't find a space on the show to put Lisa again. Maybe just for wrap their story. Could be. as if the last episode where they were in wasn't enough



Dean’s said goodbye to them HOW many times?

----hahhahhhaa!!! let me count them. One, two, three. times. Well there must be a four time! hehehehe as if the last one was not good.


It’s not like this episode is going to end any differently!?It’s not like Dean’s going to marry Lisa and adopt Ben. No, it will just be more pointless angst with Dean driving off and leaving them yet again. That’s why I wish they’d just kill Lisa and get it over with.


We will need to watch it to see what Sera had in mine, as she did with the damn mother. Because, if the season finale is two hour long, what they could show us. the Sam's wall, the angel thing and well if the angel thing does not end and Crowly said that Dean is a person of interest in collect the purgatory souls, then, maybe crowly would do something with Ben and lisa to lure with Dean to make him do something against his will.



It wouldn’t be useless to have another hunter. We’ve got Bobby and he’s a great asset to the boys.

---Yes, bobby because he has been to them as a family and he has got his part on the show since the beginning and he has his uses on this show. The "uncle" who always solve the winchester things and cover them with a FBI and etc fake. that's good have a backup but, castiel... what about him they can't change his path on this show he is an angel and if your turn him human, it could be like, wait wait wait, why is he human? I don't know they sold me that character and transfor him is like give it a 360 grades, but who knows maybe you are right, you were right about sera, why not about this



Castiel could be, too. And if he is transformed into a human, it doesn’t mean he’ll become Jimmy, because Jimmy died in that warehouse. He’d still remain as Castiel, that personality.


---Well that about the personality is true and that the great part of his character and it is what I think caught me about him, besides the excellent way of his performance


Which I think would be great, with him trying to learn to live life as a human with no angelic powers and no “people skills”.

---in that part it of learning how to be human could be boring, I think, because show him how he is adapting to the human world is a thing that could be in 3 episodes no more the rest could be like there is nothing to tell.


I?have a good feeling about Bobby surviving, so I’m going to go with Crowley, unless they’re planning on keeping him around as the Big Bad again next season. If so, then perhaps it’s Raphael that dies, because they really do need a resolution to this “war in Heaven”.

--- mmmm, Jesus, with the last episode it is hard to know what will be next. Until the season finale the thing could be known. Crowly has been the bad guy, or it was for a while...and Raphael. I think it has to take some direction so maybe raphael dies and crowly got what he wanted and castiel is in trouble and that's the clifhanger for the next season unless they will like to introduce us a new character

We’ll find out in a few weeks!


From this to another, let's start the bets! hahahahah :P:P:

Re: :S

Date: 2011-05-10 08:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winchesterwoman.livejournal.com
Great! Yesterday I couldn't send this, there was a error with explorer I thought that it would be the same that with firefox, but now I tried to send it and it works okay! so wait and I will answer today all your comments and post!

Re: :S

Date: 2011-05-12 01:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agt-spooky.livejournal.com
I don't know if you are on the list of: Andrea_ri, well he posted some pics of that episode and looks like that Lisa will be over the influence of something and Ben must call Dean to rescue her. I think that would be another parallel world, ( I know we have seen enough of them already)

Yes, I did see those pics. It looks like Lisa is possessed by a demon, but I don’t think it’s in a parallel world. I doubt they’d do that again so close to the season finale. But who knows what goes through Sera’s mind!

Because, I can't find a space on the show to put Lisa again. Maybe just for wrap their story. Could be. as if the last episode where they were in wasn't enough

We’ve wrapped their story about a dozen times already this season! That’s what’s so frustrating about having her back on again.

and Crowly said that Dean is a person of interest in collect the purgatory souls, then, maybe crowly would do something with Ben and lisa to lure with Dean to make him do something against his will.

Hey, that’s a very interesting idea! I didn’t even think about Crowley somehow being involved in whatever posesses Lisa. But if it’s a demon, he’d be the one to order it. I’m actually surprised they waited this long in the season for some kind of monster to use Lisa and Ben as a bargaining chip against Dean.

that's good have a backup but, castiel... what about him they can't change his path on this show he is an angel and if your turn him human, it could be like, wait wait wait, why is he human? I don't know they sold me that character and transfor him is like give it a 360 grades, but who knows maybe you are right, you were right about sera, why not about this

Well do you remember in The End, where Castiel had been turned into a human? Granted, that future never happened because they stopped the Apocalypse, but the show set the precedence that Cas can be transformed, so I think people would accept it if it does happen next season. Especially if his grace is ripped out by God as punishment because of what Cas is doing with Crowley.

Well that about the personality is true and that the great part of his character and it is what I think caught me about him, besides the excellent way of his performance

Yes, I would hate for Cas to be made human, but then lose his “angel” personality, because that’s why we all like him so much. He’s kinda awkward. :-)

in that part it of learning how to be human could be boring, I think, because show him how he is adapting to the human world is a thing that could be in 3 episodes no more the rest could be like there is nothing to tell.

Oh, I’m not saying it needs to take all season long, him learning how to be human, because that would get boring. But just as they always find storylines for Bobby I’m sure that Cas can appear every so often as well, to help the boys out. Just without his angel powers. :-)

I think it has to take some direction so maybe raphael dies and crowly got what he wanted and castiel is in trouble and that's the clifhanger for the next season unless they will like to introduce us a new character

As much as I like Crowley I’m wondering what his purpose could be if he survives until next season. He’s been around for quite awhile now, two seasons, so I’m thinking it’s time for a new bad guy in season seven. Perhaps Cas ends up killing Crowley and the boys can kill Raphael and the good guys win! We’ll know next week!

Sorry

Date: 2011-05-20 12:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winchesterwoman.livejournal.com
For the delay! But, I was having the %"/%&"W$ pms these days and this time I sleep almost the whole day from 4 to 7. I mean I take a nap. So when I wake up I just want to read read and not answer. But, now I decided to do it, it is now or never! besides I am happy! hahahahahah I think finally Lj is working with firefox :D So let's go once for all!




We’ve wrapped their story about a dozen times already this season! That’s what’s so frustrating about having her back on again.

---And the mos important thing, is why in the season finale? the two hours long episode? Maybe because they were runnning out of ideas? let's see it tomorrow!


Hey, that’s a very interesting idea! I didn’t even think about Crowley somehow being involved in whatever possesses Lisa.


---what's up with that Barbara!!1 I thought you were so nerd and intelligent! hehehehehe. You are always a step ahead of me!

But if it’s a demon, he’d be the one to order it. I’m actually surprised they waited this long in the season for some kind of monster to use Lisa and Ben as a bargaining chip against Dean.


----Well they were at risk once, when Dean got into a vampire, so maybe this time the risk will be with one cost. and if it is to a one cost then it could use as a tension in a episode and what a better tension than the season finale?




Oh, I’m not saying it needs to take all season long, him learning how to be human, because that would get boring. But just as they always find storylines for Bobby I’m sure that Cas can appear every so often as well, to help the boys out. Just without his angel powers. :-)

---I don't like that! hehehehe. it is just that the show is of two brothers and having another guy on it as a hunter or helper. mmmm no. I prefer castiel as the way he is. And well maybe, if the las episode happen that castiel, again, lose his powers, then the thing of the next season could be restore his powers... i don't know! I prefer not to think in that. until see the last episode.


As much as I like Crowley I’m wondering what his purpose could be if he survives until next season. He’s been around for quite awhile now, two seasons, so I’m thinking it’s time for a new bad guy in season seven.


Yes! and put to rest crowly! because I sincerely think that he was wasted in a big way, his acting is so wonderful, but the storyline of his character is miserable.

Re: Sorry

Date: 2011-05-20 11:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agt-spooky.livejournal.com
---And the mos important thing, is why in the season finale? the two hours long episode? Maybe because they were runnning out of ideas? let's see it tomorrow!

That’s what irritates me the most about bringing Lisa back - that they’re wasting the second to the last episode of the season, which is always an important episode. And we get her? AGAIN??


----Well they were at risk once, when Dean got into a vampire, so maybe this time the risk will be with one cost. and if it is to a one cost then it could use as a tension in a episode and what a better tension than the season finale?

It does sound like Crowley is behind it all, and I’m wondering if he kidnaps them so that Dean and Sam won’t interfer with he and Castiel opening up the door to Purgatory.

mmmm no. I prefer castiel as the way he is. And well maybe, if the las episode happen that castiel, again, lose his powers, then the thing of the next season could be restore his powers... i don't know

That could work, too! He starts off next season with no powers, as punishment (because it sounds like the door to Purgatory will open) and then God gives them back several episodes in because he’s learned his lesson.

Yes! and put to rest crowly! because I sincerely think that he was wasted in a big way, his acting is so wonderful, but the storyline of his character is miserable.

I’m thinking that the door opens, Sam and Dean really, truly kill Crowley and next season is spent hunting down every creature that escaped (kind of like at the end of season two) and there’s no one Big Bad.

hahahha!!!

Date: 2011-05-22 01:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winchesterwoman.livejournal.com
looksm like that we werea all right



That’s what irritates me the most about bringing Lisa back - that they’re wasting the second to the last episode of the season, which is always an important episode. And we get her? AGAIN??

----Yes we got her to nothing. just waste time,they indeed were running out of ideas! why erase their memories? there are people out there who will know that they were connected to the winchester, demons, angels etc... no way of get out of the winchester's past




It does sound like Crowley is behind it all, and I’m wondering if he kidnaps them so that Dean and Sam won’t interfer with he and Castiel opening up the door to Purgatory.

.---YOU WERE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RIGHT!!!! Jesus you must be taking some pills to predict the future!!! hehehhehe


mmmm no. I prefer castiel as the way he is. And well maybe, if the las episode happen that castiel, again, lose his powers, then the thing of the next season could be restore his powers... i don't know

That could work, too! He starts off next season with no powers, as punishment (because it sounds like the door to Purgatory will open) and then God gives them back several episodes in because he’s learned his lesson.


----Well we were so far of what happened. nothing of punishment He is God! :O ha! what a way to remove it from the show. because he can't be in the whole episodes as the bad God, just in a few. Well for one reason it is okay if he needs time to rise his son, but for other, why not better did another thing with his character than turn him bad

Yes! and put to rest crowly! because I sincerely think that he was wasted in a big way, his acting is so wonderful, but the storyline of his character is miserable.

I’m thinking that the door opens, Sam and Dean really, truly kill Crowley and next season is spent hunting down every creature that escaped (kind of like at the end of season two) and there’s no one Big Bad.

---Well notning about it. crowly is still there, everyone, but I really don't know what the hell will be in the next season if castiel won't the there.


Re: hahahha!!!

Date: 2011-05-24 01:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agt-spooky.livejournal.com
Yes we got her to nothing. just waste time,they indeed were running out of ideas! why erase their memories? there are people out there who will know that they were connected to the winchester, demons, angels etc... no way of get out of the winchester's past

You’re absolutely right. Just because THEY don’t remember Dean, all the monsters and demons out there know they were in Dean’s life so there’s nothing stopping the same “kidnapping” situation all over again. Good lord, if Sera brings them back again next season I don’t know what I’m going to do.

----Well we were so far of what happened. nothing of punishment He is God! :O ha! what a way to remove it from the show. because he can't be in the whole episodes as the bad God, just in a few. Well for one reason it is okay if he needs time to rise his son, but for other, why not better did another thing with his character than turn him bad

Don’t even get me started on what Sera and Eric did to Castiel! I’m still so mad I can barely talk about it. Just ridiculous!

---Well notning about it. crowly is still there, everyone, but I really don't know what the hell will be in the next season if castiel won't the there.

I was really surprised that Cas didn’t destroy Crowley like he did Raphael. Looks like Sera plans on bringing him back again for season seven.

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Date: 2011-05-04 02:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tonicollins.livejournal.com
make Cas a human and he can be a hunter-in-training next season. I think that would rock.

Oh, please, please, please let it be so for that would make me very, very, happy. Because Cas as next season's Big Bad would piss me the fuck off.

(no subject)

Date: 2011-05-04 11:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agt-spooky.livejournal.com
I truly think making Cas a human next season would solve a lot of problems. As much as I love him, I do agree the angel storyline is being dragged out. So we can end that and still keep Cas around. Sounds like a win-win to me!

But if Sera’s honestly considering turning Cas evil, making him a demon or something, I will seriously lead the army with pitchforks and torches to her office.

(no subject)

Date: 2011-05-07 04:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tonicollins.livejournal.com
And if Sera kills Cas, well, next season might be a miss for me.

What intrigues me is how many interviews and statements are being made about the season finale. For a show that has always tried to keep shit secret they seem to be going out of their way to foreshadow what's "going to happen". Or at least, like a magician, try to distract us with what they want us to think will happen. Personally, as much as I like the character, if someone's gotta die I hope it's Bobby and not Castiel.

And I am writing this after having seen tonight's episode.

(no subject)

Date: 2011-05-09 10:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agt-spooky.livejournal.com

Now I’m even MORE afraid that Cas is going to be killed off. He’s going to do anything to redeem himself in Dean’s eyes, even if that means sacrificing himself. [sigh]

Good point about all the info coming out about the finale episodes. Is it a slight of hand they’re trying to pull? As much as I love Bobby, he’s been around since season one. I’d rather Cas get a few more years on the show than him.
From: [identity profile] sen1995.livejournal.com
This is so not going to be good, especially for Dean.

Interview is here (I got a tiny url because the direct one was spoilery itself):

http://tinyurl.com/3enclls
From: [identity profile] agt-spooky.livejournal.com
Ooh, thanks for this, Deborah! Man, Dean is going to be completely destroyed when he finds out what Cas has been doing. Please let there be a really, really good reason Cas is working with Crowley. I love Cas, and I don’t want Sera to turn him bad. It’s just ridiculous that they’d take a character who has always been an ally to the boys and turn him evil. :-(

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