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I wasn't on the computer last night, so I didn't have a chance to post these new spoilers till now. One's a very spoilery interview with Eric Kripke from TVGuideMagazine.com and the other is a tidbit from E!Online.
From TVGuideMagazine.com:
Supernatural Season 5 Scoop!
by Ileane Rudolph July 20, 2009 05:31 PM EST
Supernatural creator Eric Kripke pulls out all the stops as the sexy horror show returns for its fifth season. In last season’s shocking finale, an angry and demon-blood addicted Sam (Jared Padalecki)—to his horror—was responsible for freeing Lucifer from his hellish imprisonment. In this exclusive interview, Kripke tells TV Guide Magazine what Lucifer’s return means and what roles Sam and big bro Dean (Jensen Ackles) will play in saving the world.
That was a pretty terrifying finale. You have an interesting “pox on both their houses” take on the Apocalypse. Do you hear from angry religious types?
[Laughs] We actually haven’t. Quite frankly, sometimes we’re surprised that some religious people don’t take more issue with our depiction of angels. But—we’ve always kept in our back pocket that despite these particular angels being the bureaucracy of Heaven, there are potentially higher and more benevolent forces in the universe. But we have a humanity-centered show. Our attitude is always, humans with all their imperfections are the heroic ones and everyone else is just kind of messing with them.
Let’s talk about Season 5. Should I assume that the showdown between the angels and Lucifer and his demon minions—with Sam and Dean caught in the middle—is your through line this season?
Part of that is ongoing mythology, so I don’t want to give too much of that away, but yeah, it’s basically that the angels and Lucifer and the demons are just beginning the long foretold Apocalypse from the Book of Revelations. It’s the war that everyone’s been waiting for for thousands of years. Humanity is unfortunately caught in the middle. Our heroes object to that. Their response is “You want to fight a war? Pick another planet. This one’s ours and get the hell off it.”
What’s the time frame?
We pick up from the finale, where we left off with the boys in the chapel with the portal to Lucifer’s cage opening and Lucifer rising. We show the next few subsequent seconds after that and then continue the story from there.
So they escape and…
No, they both die and we continue the series with James Van Der Beek.
I hear the roar of a million fans shrieking. OK, what are the manifestations of Lucifer’s return?
We’re really trying to make good our promise—with Lucifer comes the Apocalypse. Supernatural’s version of the Apocalypse. The public isn’t necessarily aware of it. They’re not running screaming through the streets. That would be hard to maintain through a season. Our version of the Apocalypse includes things like hurricanes unexpectedly slamming into the U.S. coasts and swine flu and North Korea suddenly arming up with nuclear weapons. [Laughs] We’re really trying to create the idea that we always have, that this could be happening right outside your door and you don’t know it. At least in the first few days of the Apocalypse.
The first episode is called “Sympathy for the Devil.” Is that a hint?
One of our goals is to depict Lucifer [played by Mark Pellegrino, aka Jacob on Lost] in a way that’s rarely seen on television. We want Lucifer to be the most sympathetic character this season. He’s this wounded angel who feels very betrayed by God and his fellow angels. We’re writing him with a vulnerability and almost a tenderness. This is totally like douche baggy, but we’re looking at “Paradise Lost” a lot. That idea of the very human devil that has moments of doubt and moments of really human emotion. It’s an opportunity to see a really interesting Lucifer.
Demons and angels take different meat skins—human bodies—to hide their true selves. How about Lucifer?
Lucifer is an angel and like any angel he needs to take a vessel. He’ll need to be walking around as a human as well. A strikingly handsome one. Compared to Zachariah and the rest of the angels on the show, he’s more gentle and soft spoken by a long shot. In his own weird way, he’s the kindest of all the angels.
What are Sam and Dean’s roles here? Do the angels still expect Dean to do their bidding?
Dean still has this chosen status from the angels. He’s someone they expect will defeat Lucifer. Much more of what that means will be revealed in the first episode. But he doesn’t particularly like or trust the angels and isn’t particularly inclined to follow the plan they have for him.
The last time we saw Sam, he was clearly heart wrenchingly guilty for having inadvertently raised Lucifer. How will he overcome that?
Sam is in a difficult place. He’s feeling such horrifying regret. How do you get out from under the weight of [being] the guy who broke the world and you broke it through pride, selfishness and you were seduced and you were fooled and all the horrible things that have happened as a result. He’s got a lot to atone for and he’s really on a journey of redemption. We’ve been talking about his story in the metaphors of a brand new ex-addict. He’s giving up demon blood; he’s giving up all these dark sides and with them comes terrible temptations. And meanwhile your family’s angry with you and they don’t trust you. Sam’s emotional arc this season is trying to go clean again and he’s got lots of trust to rebuild with Dean.
Your fans get famously upset when Sam and Dean are mean to each other. Why do you keep torturing them?
[Laughs] We owe it to the fans to depict an honest relationship and we wouldn’t be honest, having gone through the events at the end of Season 4, if they just said, “It’s all forgotten, let’s move on.” There’s a lot of drama to play. It’s our intention to bring them back together. It always is. I’ve always said it’s a show about the strength of family. But they need to recreate their relationship and come back together in a way in which they’re older, sadder, wiser but ultimately stronger.
Sam’s dead fiancé Jessica [played by Adrianne Palecki] shows up.
Yeah, in Episode 3.
What can you tell me about that?
I’ll keep much of that under wraps. She does return as Jessica.
So we hear demon Meg [now played by Rachel Miner] is back in the premiere. Why does she return? What are her intentions?
They’re not good. I’ve always been wondering what she’s doing out there actually. I’ve been continually asking the writers, “Where’s Meg? What’s she doing? She’s a demon. She has a really powerful grudge against the boys. They have history together. She would be a really formidable adversary. Where is she?” Finally, I got impatient and ended up writing her into my own script. It’s Mardi Gras for Meg and demons like her. Their demonic Lord and Savior has returned and so it’s party time for demons. As far as they’re concerned, Dean is the only threat to that and so we really ratchet up the tension yet again this season. Pretty much every demon in Hell and on Earth is out gunning for Dean Winchester, because he is pretty much the only one who can destroy basically their Lord and Father.
Is Bobby their only ally or will others come in to help during the season?
When we first come back in the season opener, Castiel is dead, destroyed by the Archangel. So there’s some moments when we wonder if they’ll have the help of their old angel pal Cas. There’s always allies, sometimes in unlikely places. But it’s always the idea of this small scared sweaty group up against overwhelming forces, and that’s kind of where the heart of Supernatural lies. In that idea of it as a Western, and you got the entire army outside and you’re inside and you’ve got to shoot your way out.
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From E!Online:
Katie in Colorado Springs, Colo.: We Supernatural fans are still waiting for some spoilery Dean goodness for season five. Help us!
You ask, we answer! Our sources tell us that when Supernatural returns, Dean takes Castiel out for a night on the town to loosen him up. As you could assume, hilarity ensues.
~~~~~
Wow, guys, that's a lot to digest! I'm glad that we'll be picking up right where we left off in the church and not like, three weeks later or something. I'm not so sure about having Lucifer being as sympathetic as Kripke is saying. He'll have to really sell that to me to make me think of the devil in that way. I'm glad to hear that Sam will be on the road to redemption next season because I'm done with Dark!Sam. No offense, Jared, you did an awesome job, but I want my brothers working together again.
I had to laugh at the spoilers about Castiel, basically cancelling themselves out - "Cas is dead" and then "Dean takes Cas out on the town".
I can't even imagine Dean taking Cas out for a night of drinking and pool playing. LOL!
So what are YOUR thoughts on all these spoilers? Got you amped up for season five or are you left disappointed? Let me hear ya! :-)
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I wasn't on the computer last night, so I didn't have a chance to post these new spoilers till now. One's a very spoilery interview with Eric Kripke from TVGuideMagazine.com and the other is a tidbit from E!Online.
From TVGuideMagazine.com:
Supernatural Season 5 Scoop!
by Ileane Rudolph July 20, 2009 05:31 PM EST
Supernatural creator Eric Kripke pulls out all the stops as the sexy horror show returns for its fifth season. In last season’s shocking finale, an angry and demon-blood addicted Sam (Jared Padalecki)—to his horror—was responsible for freeing Lucifer from his hellish imprisonment. In this exclusive interview, Kripke tells TV Guide Magazine what Lucifer’s return means and what roles Sam and big bro Dean (Jensen Ackles) will play in saving the world.
That was a pretty terrifying finale. You have an interesting “pox on both their houses” take on the Apocalypse. Do you hear from angry religious types?
[Laughs] We actually haven’t. Quite frankly, sometimes we’re surprised that some religious people don’t take more issue with our depiction of angels. But—we’ve always kept in our back pocket that despite these particular angels being the bureaucracy of Heaven, there are potentially higher and more benevolent forces in the universe. But we have a humanity-centered show. Our attitude is always, humans with all their imperfections are the heroic ones and everyone else is just kind of messing with them.
Let’s talk about Season 5. Should I assume that the showdown between the angels and Lucifer and his demon minions—with Sam and Dean caught in the middle—is your through line this season?
Part of that is ongoing mythology, so I don’t want to give too much of that away, but yeah, it’s basically that the angels and Lucifer and the demons are just beginning the long foretold Apocalypse from the Book of Revelations. It’s the war that everyone’s been waiting for for thousands of years. Humanity is unfortunately caught in the middle. Our heroes object to that. Their response is “You want to fight a war? Pick another planet. This one’s ours and get the hell off it.”
What’s the time frame?
We pick up from the finale, where we left off with the boys in the chapel with the portal to Lucifer’s cage opening and Lucifer rising. We show the next few subsequent seconds after that and then continue the story from there.
So they escape and…
No, they both die and we continue the series with James Van Der Beek.
I hear the roar of a million fans shrieking. OK, what are the manifestations of Lucifer’s return?
We’re really trying to make good our promise—with Lucifer comes the Apocalypse. Supernatural’s version of the Apocalypse. The public isn’t necessarily aware of it. They’re not running screaming through the streets. That would be hard to maintain through a season. Our version of the Apocalypse includes things like hurricanes unexpectedly slamming into the U.S. coasts and swine flu and North Korea suddenly arming up with nuclear weapons. [Laughs] We’re really trying to create the idea that we always have, that this could be happening right outside your door and you don’t know it. At least in the first few days of the Apocalypse.
The first episode is called “Sympathy for the Devil.” Is that a hint?
One of our goals is to depict Lucifer [played by Mark Pellegrino, aka Jacob on Lost] in a way that’s rarely seen on television. We want Lucifer to be the most sympathetic character this season. He’s this wounded angel who feels very betrayed by God and his fellow angels. We’re writing him with a vulnerability and almost a tenderness. This is totally like douche baggy, but we’re looking at “Paradise Lost” a lot. That idea of the very human devil that has moments of doubt and moments of really human emotion. It’s an opportunity to see a really interesting Lucifer.
Demons and angels take different meat skins—human bodies—to hide their true selves. How about Lucifer?
Lucifer is an angel and like any angel he needs to take a vessel. He’ll need to be walking around as a human as well. A strikingly handsome one. Compared to Zachariah and the rest of the angels on the show, he’s more gentle and soft spoken by a long shot. In his own weird way, he’s the kindest of all the angels.
What are Sam and Dean’s roles here? Do the angels still expect Dean to do their bidding?
Dean still has this chosen status from the angels. He’s someone they expect will defeat Lucifer. Much more of what that means will be revealed in the first episode. But he doesn’t particularly like or trust the angels and isn’t particularly inclined to follow the plan they have for him.
The last time we saw Sam, he was clearly heart wrenchingly guilty for having inadvertently raised Lucifer. How will he overcome that?
Sam is in a difficult place. He’s feeling such horrifying regret. How do you get out from under the weight of [being] the guy who broke the world and you broke it through pride, selfishness and you were seduced and you were fooled and all the horrible things that have happened as a result. He’s got a lot to atone for and he’s really on a journey of redemption. We’ve been talking about his story in the metaphors of a brand new ex-addict. He’s giving up demon blood; he’s giving up all these dark sides and with them comes terrible temptations. And meanwhile your family’s angry with you and they don’t trust you. Sam’s emotional arc this season is trying to go clean again and he’s got lots of trust to rebuild with Dean.
Your fans get famously upset when Sam and Dean are mean to each other. Why do you keep torturing them?
[Laughs] We owe it to the fans to depict an honest relationship and we wouldn’t be honest, having gone through the events at the end of Season 4, if they just said, “It’s all forgotten, let’s move on.” There’s a lot of drama to play. It’s our intention to bring them back together. It always is. I’ve always said it’s a show about the strength of family. But they need to recreate their relationship and come back together in a way in which they’re older, sadder, wiser but ultimately stronger.
Sam’s dead fiancé Jessica [played by Adrianne Palecki] shows up.
Yeah, in Episode 3.
What can you tell me about that?
I’ll keep much of that under wraps. She does return as Jessica.
So we hear demon Meg [now played by Rachel Miner] is back in the premiere. Why does she return? What are her intentions?
They’re not good. I’ve always been wondering what she’s doing out there actually. I’ve been continually asking the writers, “Where’s Meg? What’s she doing? She’s a demon. She has a really powerful grudge against the boys. They have history together. She would be a really formidable adversary. Where is she?” Finally, I got impatient and ended up writing her into my own script. It’s Mardi Gras for Meg and demons like her. Their demonic Lord and Savior has returned and so it’s party time for demons. As far as they’re concerned, Dean is the only threat to that and so we really ratchet up the tension yet again this season. Pretty much every demon in Hell and on Earth is out gunning for Dean Winchester, because he is pretty much the only one who can destroy basically their Lord and Father.
Is Bobby their only ally or will others come in to help during the season?
When we first come back in the season opener, Castiel is dead, destroyed by the Archangel. So there’s some moments when we wonder if they’ll have the help of their old angel pal Cas. There’s always allies, sometimes in unlikely places. But it’s always the idea of this small scared sweaty group up against overwhelming forces, and that’s kind of where the heart of Supernatural lies. In that idea of it as a Western, and you got the entire army outside and you’re inside and you’ve got to shoot your way out.
~~~~~
From E!Online:
Katie in Colorado Springs, Colo.: We Supernatural fans are still waiting for some spoilery Dean goodness for season five. Help us!
You ask, we answer! Our sources tell us that when Supernatural returns, Dean takes Castiel out for a night on the town to loosen him up. As you could assume, hilarity ensues.
~~~~~
Wow, guys, that's a lot to digest! I'm glad that we'll be picking up right where we left off in the church and not like, three weeks later or something. I'm not so sure about having Lucifer being as sympathetic as Kripke is saying. He'll have to really sell that to me to make me think of the devil in that way. I'm glad to hear that Sam will be on the road to redemption next season because I'm done with Dark!Sam. No offense, Jared, you did an awesome job, but I want my brothers working together again.
I had to laugh at the spoilers about Castiel, basically cancelling themselves out - "Cas is dead" and then "Dean takes Cas out on the town".
I can't even imagine Dean taking Cas out for a night of drinking and pool playing. LOL!
So what are YOUR thoughts on all these spoilers? Got you amped up for season five or are you left disappointed? Let me hear ya! :-)
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Date: 2009-07-21 12:43 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-07-21 07:31 pm (UTC)but I really do think Sam needs to atone somewhat and he won't be able to do that properly if Dean's all 'yeah, it's all good, forget it' right away
Oh, I absolutely, totally agree. There cannot be any easy fix for their relationship. It's gonna be a long road for the two of them to get back to trusting one another again. I'm just glad that that's the direction they'll finally be heading in. No more fighting, please!
And as always, thanks for the heads-up :)
You're welcome! :-)
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Date: 2009-07-21 02:31 pm (UTC)I think Kripke's right. If Sam and Dean were all fine after the 4th season we'd be like WTF. It's going to take a while for them to rebuild their relationship. Will be interesting to see what happens with Jess.
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Date: 2009-07-21 07:30 pm (UTC)I agree that the boys can't ignore all that went on between them last season. That would be completely unrealistic. It'll be a long road for them, for sure, but knowing they'll be working on their relationship makes me happy.
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Date: 2009-07-21 03:02 pm (UTC)Can't wait to see Dean and Cas out for fun.
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Date: 2009-07-21 07:29 pm (UTC)And yes, I think Dean and Cas out for a beer is gonna be great!
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Date: 2009-07-21 03:28 pm (UTC)The only thing I'm not looking forward to about the upcoming season is its end....
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Date: 2009-07-21 07:29 pm (UTC)As for the end of next season - no way am I thinking it's gonna be the end of the series! *g*
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Date: 2009-07-22 12:53 pm (UTC)LOLOLOL! *pauses* Uh, he is kidding right? You wouldn't really kill a beloved character, would you Kripke? *clings to boys tight* :P
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Date: 2009-07-22 07:45 pm (UTC)