Jumping on the season 3 spoiler bandwagon

[agt_spooky]

WARNING: if you think the spoiler is the greatest thing since sliced bread, do NOT read this. Because i DON'T and this is not a happy post.



Bela: 20-30, Beautiful and sexy, she's a woman without a conscience. A mercenary in the supernatual world. She is cocky, confident, mercurial and very funny. Actress must possess physical prowess, pless submit all ethnicities, SERIES REGULAR

Ruby: 20-late20's, Beautiful and sexy, mysterious and quiet. She's an enigmatic demon hunter. She is a most brutual, ruthless hunter; in fact she is a better hunter than Sam and Dean. SERIES REGULAR

FUCK THIS SHIT.

Seriously. I can't believe we have to go through this shit AGAIN. This was posted by this DSinLA person over on the TWOP boards who, according to everyone there is never wrong. But I was still willing to chalk it up as a rumor, until Jim Beaver (Bobby) confirmed it, and Ausiello had it in his column and he's damn reliable.

PISSED OFF doesn't even begin to come close to what I'm feeling. It was bad enough going through this with Jo last season, but at least she and Ellen were described as "recurring characters" but did you see the description for Bela and Ruby (what kind of stupid names are those anyway??) - SERIES REGULAR. As in "hop in the back of the Impala, girls, 'cause we'll be traveling together all season". Because, really, if they're not traveling together, how would these girls show up constantly to be "regular" characters? Everytime Sam and Dean show up on a hunt these two just happen show up as well? Yeah, that's about as plausable as Sam and Dean constantly traveling to the Roadhouse.

Oh, and love the fact that Ruby is a better hunter than Sam and Dean. Of COURSE she is!

WHY, ERIC?? Didn't your failed attempt with Jo tell you anything?? The majority of your fan base does NOT WANT this type of character hanging around Sam and Dean.

And I don't believe for one instant that Kripke is doing this to add male viewers to the show, 'cause guess what? The show already HAS what attracts men to it - guns, monsters and things get set on fire on a regular basis.

The fact that they're women isn't my biggest complaint (These characters could be MEN and I'd still be upset), though I will admit it is part of it. My biggest complaint is that I started watching SPN for SamandDean, and Eric seems determined to mess with the success of that formula and for the life of me I can't understand WHY. Are you tired of SPN, Eric? Are you sabotaging it on purpose? Because if these characters become series regulars you will have done just that. I will seriously be through with this show. It will sadden me beyond belief, but it will no longer be the show that I loved, so why bother torturing myself? If I wanted to watch a show with two female regulars who are demon hunters I'd go watch Buffy. But guess what? I've never watched Buffy and never will.

Yes, I understand that with Jensen and Jared being the only lead characters on the show it puts a heavy burden on them. But on the other hand, they knew going into this that it'd be like that.

So let's get back to the lovely descriptions of Bela and Ruby - gosh, now we've got TWO Mary Sue's in our midst! Let's not forget that they're both "beautiful and sexy" but notice that we're careful not to say "love interest" this time around. PLEASE. Do you honestly think that with descriptions like that AND these girls being regular characters that Dean especially won't be banging one, if not both of them? Or that Sam won't instantly bond with one of them and start a relationship? If they're regular characters they'll be around A LOT so the potential for a relationship to start up is way higher than it was with Jo. Gosh, something else to look forward to!

I've seen the "have faith in Eric" posts regarding this, but I'm tired of having faith in Eric! Why do we keep having to go through this trial and error crap, ruining episode upon episode until things get fixed back to the way they were? Just KEEP THEM they way they were to begin with!

Our ratings are bad enough without more meddling in the formula of the show. We ended second season on the lowest note possible, and with this news starting to alienate the majority of the fandom, who's going to tune in for the start of season three?

All of this depresses me tremendously. I honestly don't want to see the start of season 3. I want to go back and live in season 1, where it was Sam and Dean and John doing their thing. And I was really looking forward to third season, what with the clock ticking for Dean and all.

But now? It's three months of being upset and depressed. Gosh, something to look forward to, eh?

If anyone's interested, here are the addresses to write and express your displeasure. I did last summer when Jo and Ellen and the Roadhouse was announced and now I'll be writing again.

Dawn Ostroff
President of Entertainment
The CW Television Network
4000 Warner Boulevard, Bldg 168
Burbank, CA 91522-0002

Eric Kripke
9465 Wilshire Blvd
Suite 880
Beverly Hills, California 90212
U.S.A.

The CW, Viewer Comments
3300 West Olive Ave.
Burbank, CA 91505

Dawn Ostroff
President of Entertainment
The CW Network
411 North Hollywood Way
Burbank, California 91505

Comments

[charityflint.livejournal.com]

I'm sitting here in shock, not sure what to say/think. Like you, I can't believe Eric is ramming this shit down our throats again, especially after the nightmare that was Jo and Ellen. Why is he torturing us??

I would have thought that this season would draw the boys and their "family" in closer than ever because of Dean's deal. Their time is short and they've got to do what they can within that limit. Nothing else should matter or intrude. I just don't get it.

I hate to think the show will be ruined by this, but I just don't have the ability to trust right now, because I don't understand the need to make these changes. We don't want or need some other badass hunters to make Dean and Sam feel stupid or inferior. They've got enough on their plates, for Pete's sake. Emotionally, you just can't bounce back from all that happened at the end of season two. I don't care who you are.

[agt-spooky.livejournal.com]

Why is he torturing us??

Well, apparently it's not him:

http://community.livejournal.com/supernatural_tv/1060477.html

I hate to think the show will be ruined by this, but I just don't have the ability to trust right now, because I don't understand the need to make these changes

You can thank Dawn Ostroff for this nightmare. Her pet show, VM, gets canceled, so she now has to cram female characters in wherever she can, and she set her sights on SPN. We're seriously screwed.

We don't want or need some other badass hunters to make Dean and Sam feel stupid or inferior. They've got enough on their plates, for Pete's sake

Thank you! This whole idea is just preposterous and will most certainly kill this show.

[x5vale.livejournal.com]

I'm not going to judge this thing until I will see it.

I'm not fond of the regular thing, but I like the idea of female demon hunters.

As long as the main focus of the show will be Dean and Sam, I can live with it.

And I think it's not only a Kripke's idea. I still trust him and I'll watch the show.

I still prefer to have "Dean and Sam with some hunters" than not Dean and Sam at all.

I'll wait and see.

*sighs*

[agt-spooky.livejournal.com]

I wish I had your optimism, but I just don't. I don't feel that with adding two more regular characters the focus will be on Sam and Dean any longer. You have to keep splitting up screen time to accomodate new regular characters and that leaves less and less time for Sam and Dean. If these girls turn out to be regulars, we'll have to spend time getting to know their history and backstory, etc. or we'll have episodes like No Exit where one of the boys will be non existant.

Sorry, I'd rather have no Sam and Dean at all than that. :-(

[realpestilence.livejournal.com]

I'm tired of every female character out there in tv/movie/book-land having to be bigger and better at everything than the guys they're with. I like strong women, but come on! It's not realistic and it's not necessary.

This sounds like fanfic gone bad, doesn't it? Like all those Buffy crossovers I've read where Buffy, Faith, or some other girl gets to do all the fighting and Dean & Sam get to stand around and watch admiringly and *uselessly*. Because that's sooo characteristic.

I'm Kripke wants to re-introduce the potential for romance; he's probably thinking it'll draw viewers/ratings. If so, he's not been paying attention to what fans are saying. We want Dean, Sam, the Impala, and a few recurring characters like Bobby. That's it!


Pesti

[agt-spooky.livejournal.com]

I'm tired of every female character out there in tv/movie/book-land having to be bigger and better at everything than the guys they're with

And this is all Dawn Ostroff's meddling. All she cares about is having female leads in every damn show on the network, no matter that in some cases it's not plausable!

If so, he's not been paying attention to what fans are saying.

Did you see this? We can let Eric off the hook, as it's all from Dawn Ostroff:

http://community.livejournal.com/supernatural_tv/1060477.html

So now we are seriously screwed since this order has come down from on top. I don't see a way around adding these characters now. :-(

[tecetyeintyale.livejournal.com]

I have a lot of faith in Eric, but this...honestly, I can't see how this can be pulled off without ruining the show...:(

We don't want or need some other badass hunters to make Dean and Sam feel stupid or inferior. They've got enough on their plates, for Pete's sake. Emotionally, you just can't bounce back from all that happened at the end of season two. I don't care who you are.

Exactly. The boys should be in no place to deal with romance right now, especially Dean. And, knowing Sam, he's going to put his full attention on saving Dean, so how will he have time for a girl? Not to mention what you talked about Barb-how in the world can they logically be series regulars unless they're traveling with Sam and Dean? It's totally ridiculous for them to just show up hunt after hunt, so they'd have to travel with Sam and Dean...

Okay, I have to comment on the names...:P I just don't like them! They're fine names in themselves (I actually really like the name Ruby), but for this show and those characters, they just don't seem to fit at all. And the fact that Ruby is a better hunter than Sam and Dean? No way! Unless she was raised hunting, there's absolutely no way she could be better than them, and if she was...I don't even know whether I like that or not...

I tend to hold on to shows I like for long after they've gone downhill, hoping that they'll improve (I watched Gilmore Girls up until this season, when it went bad three seasons ago...), and Supernatural won't be any different. I'm not going to stop watching because of this rumor, and though it will make me very sad, I'll likely keep watching all next season even if the new girls don't work out just in the hopes that it'll get better. But if they stick around all this season and ruin things, you can forget me looking forward to season 4. :(

[agt-spooky.livejournal.com]

I have a lot of faith in Eric

And our faith hasn't been misplaced, it turns out. Did you see this:

http://community.livejournal.com/supernatural_tv/1060477.html

It's all come down from Dawn Ostroff and we're seriously screwed now, if she's demanding it. I don't see how Eric can get out from under this a third time. :-( God, I'm so freaking MAD!

It's totally ridiculous for them to just show up hunt after hunt, so they'd have to travel with Sam and Dean...

Yes, thank you! I mean, I've yet to see one other explanation as to how these girls would be around so damn much if not traveling with the boys. And that thought just makes me ill.

And the fact that Ruby is a better hunter than Sam and Dean? No way! Unless she was raised hunting

Did you look at her age?? She'd be the same age as Sam and Dean, so how could she have more experience unless she started training at age 3 or something. It's totally ridiculous.

I'm not going to stop watching because of this rumor, and though it will make me very sad, I'll likely keep watching all next season even if the new girls don't work out just in the hopes that it'll get better

I'll give them ONE episode and if it's as bad as I fear it will be I do believe I'll walk away from SPN. It will kill me to do so, but I just can't watch a show that I love dearly be destroyed. And hey, if I find out they kill off the girls in episode six I can always download the eps and get caught up. :-)

[purelyironic.livejournal.com]

I can't think about this for three months. So I decided to just wait and see in fall, because otherwise I'll go crazy. I want the show for DeanandSam and not for random people ghosthunting, but I'll take what I get and until then I'll rewatch Season 1 (and Season 2).

[agt-spooky.livejournal.com]

I can't think about this for three months. So I decided to just wait and see in fall, because otherwise I'll go crazy

It's too late for me. I'm already furious and it just keeps running around in my head. :-(

but I'll take what I get and until then I'll rewatch Season 1 (and Season 2).

I'm afraid that's what it's gonna come down to for me as well.

[realpestilence.livejournal.com]

I'm at work & shouldn't be posting, but ya got me revved up with this!

I want a thoughtful, well-planned season that focuses on the real issues of what they're going to do to save Dean, how the relationship between Sam & Dean develops-and maybe some flashbacks or retroactive appreciation for John. I'd love to see Sam's powers get explored, too. Not to mention all those new demons on the loose, plus the amulet, why Dean's never been possessed while both his dad & brother have (as far as I know)-is he resistant/special/just lucky?

You know-*good* stuff.

Don't need 2 tagalong characters, women or men, and certainly nobody to make our guys look inferior or redundant. One thing that always annoyed me about Buffy, when I watched it, was how they emasculated damn near every male character on the show. Apparently, to script writers, to have strong women, you gotta have weak men.

I don't want that to happen to our guys. So, I have to say I have strong reservations about this.

You think they'd be using the publicity that Jensen's stellar performance in AFGM, his Emmy nom, & Jared's upcoming movie is bringing to them to better advantage.


gotta go. *shifty eyes*



Pesti

[agt-spooky.livejournal.com]

I want a thoughtful, well-planned season that focuses on the real issues

Yes, yes and YES!! That's exactly what I want to see, too!

Don't need 2 tagalong characters, women or men, and certainly nobody to make our guys look inferior or redundant

The description of the girls really pissed me off - especially that they're better than Sam and Dean. Yeah, way to go alienating your audience with that remark!

So, I have to say I have strong reservations about this.

And now that we know Dawn Ostroff is behind it all, I'm more scared than ever.

[katikat.livejournal.com]

Why do I have this feeling that this was the condition for the show to have a 3rd season? Something like "Either you add two girls as regulars or you have no show, Eric!"

If they wanted to raise the ratings, why not return to the proven formula of season 1? Why this? I wouldn't mind these girls as recurring characters, but regulars? I bet that they'll make the boys constantly look like fumbling idiots. Condescending behavior anyone? You know this "leave it to the girls, little boys."

I hope that Eric and TPTB will hear the fans' displeasure loud and clearly! X(

[katikat.livejournal.com]

Hm, but there is another possibility too - what if the girls are meant to hunt the Winchesters down, and not be their partners? As I said here (http://katikat.livejournal.com/352293.html#cutid1). In too much hurry to write it down again, sowwy :(

[spikespet7.livejournal.com]

I feel your pain and understand totally......I'm fighting it myself and trying to look at different angles. I wonder, if they end of being bad guys that the boys has to chase for they are giving hunters a bad name.......and I'm not going to put all the blame on Eric, could be CW is wanting more girlie action, cause we know how on the money CW is not when it comes to giving what the fans want.......


Kimber

who, is praying that Eric is just waiting for the amunition to give to the silly powers that be at CW as to why something like this, if done poorly, will wreck the show. But then CW could care less. Could be they have plans for 2009 with a whole knew line up, since 2009 they won't even have Smallville to contend with.....hmmmmmm

[agt-spooky.livejournal.com]

and I'm not going to put all the blame on Eric, could be CW is wanting more girlie action

Well, you were right:

http://community.livejournal.com/supernatural_tv/1060477.html

And now that Dawn Ostroff is involved in all of this and is pulling the strings, those girls will be front and center of SPN in no time flat, just you watch.

Could be they have plans for 2009 with a whole knew line up

Hmmm...can you say spin off series with Bela and Ruby while SPN gets canceled so Ostroff gets her way and gets yet another female lead show?

God, I'm depressed!

[tracys-dream.livejournal.com]

I've been thinking about this and it can't be true, it just can't. I mean Supernatural is all about Sam and Dean, not Sam and Dean and two female characters that are being introduced in Season 3! It sounds ridiculous!

[agt-spooky.livejournal.com]

Unfortunately it's true, and it's all to be blamed on Dawn Ostroff:

http://community.livejournal.com/supernatural_tv/1060477.html

I'm so freaking depressed.

[evil-witch666.livejournal.com]

I completely understand how you feel, because...well...I kinda feel the same way. Personally I never had a problem with Jo being there, knowing that she was just a recurring role and all, but putting up with 2 female regulars who are hunters as well (and one of them a better hunter than Sam and Dean...WTF??) just doesn't sit well with me. We all love the show for what it is. It's the story about Dean and Sam and their family. And I don't want anyone else in there as regular. I could deal with them as recurring roles but nothing else. Doesn't mean I would stop watching but it would certainly kill a huge part of the anticipation before every new episode. and I would hate that.

on the other hand I don't think that Eric is to be blamed as the only one behind that idea. I guess there was a lot of pressure from the CW as well with that Ostroff chick not getting the show and all. to me it looks like she would try something stupid like that.

I can't really stop thinking about that. maybe someone put these thoughts out to see the reaction of the fans towards to decide if to go along with the thought or totally dismiss it with the reaction of fandom towards Jo in mind. just a thought. maybe they really just trying to get the fan's reaction for that kind of set-up before doing something stupid. but they should already know what we would say to something like that and shouldn't have brought that up...AT ALL.

I really am tired of thinking about and so I will try and stop because it drives me nuts. I was so happy about a third season and now I just don't know if to look forward or not. so I try to not think about it at all and wait till the first episode airs sometime end of September. and hoping taht it really only was a stupid rumour to stir things up a bit during hiatus.

[agt-spooky.livejournal.com]

It's the story about Dean and Sam and their family. And I don't want anyone else in there as regular

Yes, thank you! That's why I started watching the show in the first place! I didn't sign on for an ensemble drama!

Doesn't mean I would stop watching but it would certainly kill a huge part of the anticipation before every new episode. and I would hate that

And for me, I don't WANT to be dreading what each episode will bring. I want to be excited about them! So I'll walk away from SPN before I stick around and watch a show I love be destroyed.

it looks like she would try something stupid like that.

And that's exactly what she's done:

http://community.livejournal.com/supernatural_tv/1060477.html

We're seriously screwed now that Ostroff is behind this and pulling the strings. All she cares about are shows with female leads, so you just watch how fast these girls take front and center stage when season three gets started.

God, I'm so freaking depressed.

[fergus80.livejournal.com]

Honestly, I don't think it's Eric that is doing it. I doubt this was in his 5 year plan.

I have a feeling it's Dawn doing it, and Eric is leaking it out to the fan base to get us upset, knowing we will, so we will scream and yell and get rid of them.

Is it too much to ask that the one that looks to be for Dean will actually be a lesbian, and the one that seems to be for sam is very short, so that it just won't work and be funny? Then they can just DIE?

I'm thinking of writing to Dawn and saying STAY out of it. And then to Kripke and saying, don't write Mary-sues!

[fergus80.livejournal.com]

Oh... this was just posted on Supernatural_TV

http://community.livejournal.com/supernatural_tv/1060477.html

It looks like it is Dawn's fault.

Don't you Just...

[nol4269.livejournal.com]

I really hate when they start to f_ _k around with the shows we love. I guess with just the two lads they (being Eric) felt the show needed female eye candy for the males out there. Maybe the guys were getting to close, oh butt wait they're brothers. You and I both know that when the two male leads start to get cozy they have to throw in that female bimbo so you don't think the guys are, hold it, "Gay" Haven't they ever heard of brotherly love. Gee, who knows maybe the female will be gay and take Sam & Dean to some really great hot spots. Guess one can only dream about a show like that.....

Re: Don't you Just...

[agt-spooky.livejournal.com]

I really hate when they start to f_ _k around with the shows we love

Sounds like Sentinel with Cassie all over again, doesn't it?

You and I both know that when the two male leads start to get cozy they have to throw in that female bimbo so you don't think the guys are, hold it, "Gay

And again I give TS as an example! Luckily we got rid of Cassie pretty darn quick, so I'm hoping that the same will happen with these two bimbos.

Gee, who knows maybe the female will be gay and take Sam & Dean to some really great hot spots

LOL! Love it!

[anakin415.livejournal.com]

I understand teh boys need breaks but fuck I hope it isnt gonna turn out to be a marysue fest and bad acting like Jo did. Jo had so much potential and they made her blow it. The regular thing bothers because honestly they dont need to be regular they just need to be there. What I dont understand is that there are a few characters that can be made into regulars and have much more a profound effect on things like hello where is Missouri... can we get more Bobby and Ellen seriously what the hell is is Bella & Ruby gonna bring... regularly but overused and badly scripted sexual tension ??? The one thing I hoped for in this show is to get away from that and fall to the cliche that all networks thing brings in the money. I seriously hope that Dawn has nothing to do with this ... its already thin ice between me and her and I dont even know her but I surely dont want to after seeing how she treats the show.

I have faith in Kripke... he just better not let me down again. All for strong women Krip... I am definitely one myself but dont fuck it up... again

[agt-spooky.livejournal.com]

I understand teh boys need breaks but fuck I hope it isnt gonna turn out to be a marysue fest and bad acting like Jo did

You KNOW it's gonna turn out to be just that.

What I dont understand is that there are a few characters that can be made into regulars and have much more a profound effect on things like hello where is Missouri... can we get more Bobby

Yes! Yes! I've missed Missouri something fierce. And Bobby - gotta love that man.

what the hell is is Bella & Ruby gonna bring... regularly but overused and badly scripted sexual tension

Yep, that's exactly what it's gonna turn out to be. Nice, eh? Something to look forward to!

I have faith in Kripke... he just better not let me down again

At least our faith in Eric wasn't misplaced. He's been fighting this for two years now. I just wonder how much creative control Ostroff is gonna flex over the storylines with freaking Bela and Ruby. Will she force him to bring them front and center?

[khek.livejournal.com]

THIS TOTALLY SUCKS.

Did you see the post where someone asked a friend in the industry about this casting info, and he said that Kripke's been fighting network executives about adding female regulars and finally lost? Look here: http://community.livejournal.com/supernatural_tv/1060477.html?page=1#comments

I really think that it's a HUGE mistake to add these Buffy Barbies. One is a better hunter than Dean? One has a mysterious background? Gosh, then what do we need Sam and Dean around for?

Argh. I hate, hate, hate this. I was so excited about season three, and now all that excitement is gone. This is worse than having the Impala/Semi crash hanging over the fandom, because I don't think there's even much potential for *hope*.

[agt-spooky.livejournal.com]

THIS TOTALLY SUCKS.

Yep, that'd be an understatement. :-)

And yeah, I saw that post about Dawn and Eric fighting it for two years. [sigh]

Gosh, then what do we need Sam and Dean around for?

See, we WON'T, because just watch, Ostroff will set this up as a spin-off with these two Barbies and cancel SPN so that now it's "her" show.

This is worse than having the Impala/Semi crash hanging over the fandom, because I don't think there's even much potential for *hope*.

You hit the nail on the head right there. If Dawn is pulling the strings and flexes creative control over the Bela and Ruby storylines, Eric's hands are tied and there will be no hope at all that Eric can somehow salvage anything out of this mess. :-(

Unless something changes drastically between now and September regarding this, I've no real desire to tune in for season three and that depresses the hell out of me.

Oh, criminY...

[feldspar2.livejournal.com]

CW is gonna stand for Crappy Women. They chopped Veronica Mars, a show with a female lead who was pretty but actually had a brain, so I could forgive the network for ATM and Pussycat Dolls. (I don't count Beauty and the Geek because I like it.)

But now? Jesus, Eric! Any fanfic writer could come up with better female characters than this.(BELA? Are you freakin' kidding me??)I can only put this down to Kripke being a man. God forbid that a female hunter be anything but "beautiful and sexy," probably running around in skintight jeans or short shorts and low cut sweaters while Jared and Jensen get to keep warm and wear real clothes. Ecch. And better hunters than Sam and Dean? I can accept that the hunters have varying levels of expertise and experience, but female hunters don't have to be better hunters than males, just as smart and resourceful. Am I against female hunters on SPN? No, not at all. I'm hoping that this will be a plot point for season 3--where are the other hunters? They can't have all died at the Roadhouse. Where are they, and how will they be contacted? (It'll be REALLY interesting if Gordon shows up. And are all of the 'special children' dead?) This would be a good way of bringing Jo back as an echo of the parent/child/family backbone of the first season. I don't think that Ellen wanted Jo to be a hunter, and if Jo has decided to hunt this will pit her against her mother, and this would be a real, strong reason for these women to be in season three, not as rivals/bed partners for our Js. And has Kripke considered that having two constant female 'sidekicks'(ohGod)would kick any future 'romantic arcs' down the drain? Guess he hasn't. Pity. This almost always seems to happen when a TV series is renewed; somebody starts screwing around with what made people watch the show in the first place. Eric, we don't NEED to see the guys getting it on every episode! (And as you found out, Spooky, SPN has what attracts some men to it--hot men!) I can't believe how he says he reads message boards, etc., and he's pulling this "Dean and Sam need regular female companions" crap again. It didn't work with Jo, it won't work now. Was this some kind of deal (ha) he had to make with the network to get the third season?? I sure hope not, because God knows what he'll have to agree to for Season Four...

Re: Oh, criminY...

[agt-spooky.livejournal.com]

Was this some kind of deal (ha) he had to make with the network to get the third season??

Actually, that's EXACTLY what happened:

http://community.livejournal.com/supernatural_tv/1060477.html

[hearts-stars-xo.livejournal.com]

worst. possible. thing. EVER.

[agt-spooky.livejournal.com]

Damn straight.

[andromakhe001.livejournal.com]

The fact that they're women isn't my biggest complaint (These characters could be MEN and I'd still be upset), though I will admit it is part of it. My biggest complaint is that I started watching SPN for SamandDean, and Eric seems determined to mess with the success of that formula and for the life of me I can't understand WHY. Are you tired of SPN, Eric? Are you sabotaging it on purpose? Because if these characters become series regulars you will have done just that. I will seriously be through with this show. It will sadden me beyond belief, but it will no longer be the show that I loved, so why bother torturing myself?

I feel the same way. Alot of people say "Oh I'll watch anyway" but I don't feel like I will want to. Loyalty to Jensen might be keep here for a little while but that's about it and then they'll have lost a viewer(though clearly they don't want me as a viewer anyway given their decisions). Now this may not be Kripke's doing, it may be Ostroff's which I would totally believe, but in either case...it's not the show I signed on for.

It's getting "too big for it's britches" and thinking it ought to be about something other than brotherhood and hunting monsters. I think it was probably deeper as a show when we got a lot of little subtle bits of characterization in a show about brothers hunting creatures than once they started trying to get all philosophical and became almost self-conscious about it. The acting has saved their hides more than once in that regard. Not that I haven't loved some of those episodes but really it works best when it's Dean and Sam riding into down, meeting some interesting characters, solving the supernatural problem, and leaving again to move onto the next hunt.

I wouldn't want two male characters coming in either but just because these don't say "love interest" doesn't mean it doesn't SCREAM love interests. And how stupid is that with Dean having a year to live and Sam being focused on trying to save him? No way in hell do I see either of them even giving pause to consider such a notion.

We could have spent a whole summer talking up the show to potential new fans, instead we'll spend it in misery wondering how this is going to ruin it. They are shooting themselves in the foot and risking alienating the people who are normally their strongest allies in trying to get positive attention for the show.

Thanks for the addresses.

[agt-spooky.livejournal.com]

I feel the same way. Alot of people say "Oh I'll watch anyway" but I don't feel like I will want to

If these two bimbos turn out the way that we think they are, there's just no way I can stick around and watch. It will no longer be the show I fell in love with, so what's the point? I'll be heartbroken, as it's been 12 years since a show captured me like this, but why torture myself and just get angry every week?

but really it works best when it's Dean and Sam riding into down, meeting some interesting characters, solving the supernatural problem, and leaving again to move onto the next hunt

Here, here! I did enjoy some of the mythology episodes in S2, simply because I love Dean angst, though. *g*

And how stupid is that with Dean having a year to live and Sam being focused on trying to save him? No way in hell do I see either of them even giving pause to consider such a notion.

And that's what kills me, too. So Dean's gonna be all "well, I've only got a year to live, but let me take time to bang this chick" and Sam, too, "Sorry, bro, I know I'm supposed to be helping you, but I've fallen madly in love with Ruby here so I'm a bit distracted." WTF?? Sorry, don't think so!

We could have spent a whole summer talking up the show to potential new fans, instead we'll spend it in misery wondering how this is going to ruin it.

And bickering and starting fights amongst ourselves to boot, for expressing opinions on the subject. Man, I am SO dreading Septemer I can't even tell you. And I should've been looking forward to it!

They are shooting themselves in the foot and risking alienating the people who are normally their strongest allies in trying to get positive attention for the show

Amen.

Thanks for the addresses

You're welcome! We've got to tell Ostroff how we feel about this NOW before filming even gets started next month!

[rah-ram.livejournal.com]

oh hell no! I plan on sending repeated letters. and not fake nice letters with a hint of distaste but full on bitch letters. I may frain from actually threatening, but they will be letter filled with anger.

And I don't believe for one instant that Kripke is doing this to add male viewers to the show, 'cause guess what? The show already HAS what attracts men to it - guns, monsters and things get set on fire on a regular basis.

I totally believe that. That is one reason that I love the show so much. I was raised with 12 different guys all who was at least 10 years older then me. So I tend to act like a guy, and watch shows/movies where there are guns, fast cars, and/or things getting burned or blew up.

[agt-spooky.livejournal.com]

I totally believe that. That is one reason that I love the show so much. I was raised with 12 different guys all who was at least 10 years older then me. So I tend to act like a guy, and watch shows/movies where there are guns, fast cars, and/or things getting burned or blew up

See, exactly! I mean, unless the women are NAKED every episode, how many male viewers does Ostroff intend to grab with the addition of these two bimbos? Our only saving grace may be in the fact that CW promotes SPN for shit so no one will even know these characters exist and can then be killed off. Heh.

[sonicbookmark.livejournal.com]

Don't be mad at Kripke (at least not yet)!

According to this (http://community.livejournal.com/supernatural_tv/1060477.html) it wasn't his idea to add the girls and he knows how much it's going to suck. I don't know if this is true or not but (seeing how much Kripke loves his show) it rings a little true to me. *shrugs*

[agt-spooky.livejournal.com]

According to this it wasn't his idea to add the girls

Yep, I have no problem believing that this is all Ostroff's fault, and I applaud Eric for fighting against this so hard.

But that also makes our battle even tougher. If it was Kripke's idea, I believe we could sway him, but if this came down from up above and Ostroff is flexing her muscles it's going to be alot harder to make her see she's an idiot for doing this to our show.

[intel-ige-ence.livejournal.com]

What's scaring me most?

If these girls are better than Deany-o and Sam, and Ostroff's behind it, what'd happen if Ostroff fired Kripke for not emasculating Sam and Dean and not making Bela and Ruby (... Ostroff got 'president of entertainment' how again? Because those names completely, totally took some imagination.) LE STARZZ of the show?

And then she hires another writer who kills off the brothers?

*shakes head* If that happens, I dunno what the tattered, torn, bloodied and bruised remenants of the fandom would do. Other than, say, run/crawl away screaming and sobbing for what is left of their cranial functions. That's part of the reason I'm litterally shaking in horror.

Because, inmyoppinion, Jo and the Roadhouse people were okay. Maybe not brilliance like Bobby, but I liked 'em.

The other reason for my shakes is that: OMFGWTFBBFUCKINGQ?! ROMANTIC INTEREST?! AFTER GETTING SENTENCED TO AS LITTLE AS A YEAR, SEEING YOUR DAD CLIMB. OUT. OF. HELL., DEFEATING A PSYCHOTIC, WORLD-TERMINATING-ARMY-PLANNING DEMONthatlike,completely,totallyfuckedupyourentirelifefromstarttofinish, AND THE PROSPECT OF HAVING TO FACE A MINIATURE LEGIONS-OF-HELL BATTALION? Pfft. I don't think even Dean could bounce back so fast without the promise/pact/thing he and Sam made at the end of the season. He looked a tad to traumatized and pissed off to deal with a female hunter saying "yo, I rz betah den u, so, lyk, gimme rid in ur x-pen-siv car n fk mi brans out, kplz."

Not that it's something he'd put up with for any length of time anyway, but still. And Sam looked worse off than he did.

So the 'romantic interest' crap? Yeah, that's a bit too off-color.

/rant.

[agt-spooky.livejournal.com]

And then she hires another writer who kills off the brothers?

My fear is kinda long these same lines - Ostroff is pissed that her pet show, Veronica Mars, had to finally be canceled. So now she's putting on Gossip Girl (all female power) and shoving females down the throats of any other show she can and SPN is a victim. So my fear is that she's setting up Bela and Ruby to have their own spin off, to cancel SPN and have her own version of Buffy AND her own supernatural type show, Reaper, which she must "get".

So yeah, pardon me if I hate Bela and Ruby with a goddamn passion, y'know? Because all I foresee is the death of our show.

Because, inmyoppinion, Jo and the Roadhouse people were okay. Maybe not brilliance like Bobby, but I liked 'em

I never cared for any of the Roadhouse crew, but I'd take back Ellen in a second now.

So the 'romantic interest' crap? Yeah, that's a bit too off-color

My god, isn't it though?? For every reason you named. So Dean's gonna be all "well, I've only got a year to live, but let me take time to bang this chick" and Sam, too, "Sorry, bro, I know I'm supposed to be helping you, but I've fallen madly in love with Ruby here so I'm a bit distracted." WTF?? Sorry, don't think so!

Geez, this is gonna be one long summer...

[tolerik.livejournal.com]

Gah, all this season 3 stuff is depressing. As soon as I heard about the new regulars, I thought 'Noooooo!' Can't say I was overly surprised though. I've talked with my hubby (who also loves the show) & he agrees with me that Supernatural just doesn't need this. And *why* do female characters always have to be young, stunning, and better at everything? I confess, I was secretly hoping that maybe the female hunter would be an older woman, someone with *character*. I could see Dean with an older woman, maybe. *Not* a mother figure, he doesn't need and would never accept that, but someone who could understand and cope with his complexities. But I agree that the boys have enough on their minds, and surely they'd still be grieving for their father, and in Sam's case Jess too. Introduce female hunters - ok, but if they really want a fair representation, make them strong, independent characters who can stand on their own, not pretty, super-chick 'love interests.' Any chance this Dawn woman could get the sack any time soon?

[agt-spooky.livejournal.com]

Sorry for the late reply! I've been on vacation this last week and I'm just now getting a chance to get caught up. :-)

As soon as I heard about the new regulars, I thought 'Noooooo!'

Yep, you're not the only one. [sigh]

& he agrees with me that Supernatural just doesn't need this

He's absolutely right, it doesn't, and that's a great comment, coming from a man, about these two new women. If a GUY isn't interested in seeing these stupid chicks I think that's pretty telling and that Eric and the CW are barking up the wrong tree, trying to gain a male audience.

And *why* do female characters always have to be young, stunning, and better at everything?

This is what upsets me the most as well. I do NOT hate female characters on SPN. I loved Jess and Mary and Missouri and Haley and Layla and Sarah...the list goes on. What I DO hate is that these new characters are going to come in for the sole purpose of making Sam and Dean look like incompetent fools. And that really pisses me off. And it would still piss me off if these new characters were male as well. It's not the gender, it's what their purpose is going to be on the show.

I was secretly hoping that maybe the female hunter would be an older woman, someone with *character*.

I would've loved that as well, because it goes against stereotype, almost. Why do everyone they meet have to be in their twenties? That's why I loved Layla so much. That was the type of a strong female character that I could easily see Dean with and it be a believeable relationship.

but if they really want a fair representation, make them strong, independent characters who can stand on their own, not pretty, super-chick 'love interests.'

Thank you, yes! But unfortunately that's not the route they're going to take with these bimbos and because of that, SPN, in my eyes, will soon be unrecognizable to me as the show I fell in love with two years ago. And that saddens me beyond belief.

Any chance this Dawn woman could get the sack any time soon?

God, don't I wish!

[jai-cat.livejournal.com]

Let's hope that Ruby and Bela are a couple. Then, when the stay in a motel, Dean and Sam can sleep in a same bed while the girls taking the other...Know it's too much to ask for...

[agt-spooky.livejournal.com]

LOL! OMG, I just love this! :-)

WTF

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I don't know what the hell Kripke or Dawn or who the hell is involved are doing. I think the two regular females is a load of shit and I loved Supernatural for the brothers I was looking forward to Sam trying to save Dean maybe a bit more of Sam going darkside but this women. My show will go like alot of others more about the sexual tension or sex and less about the boys. I hope those jackasses at CW are reading and after the fiasco with Jo I mean jeez. Thanks for letting me post

Re: WTF

[agt-spooky.livejournal.com]

Hey, thank YOU for your post here! I agree wholeheartedly. This show is so far from the one I fell in love with that I'm actually not watching anymore. :-( There's nothing to love about it anymore. It's all about the girls and stuffing them into the plot when they're not needed or wanted. All they do is split the brothers up - Sam with Ruby and Dean with Bela. They're hardly ever together anymore. And they're making the brothers (especially Dean) look like stupid idiots all so that the girls can be the smart ones now, be the heroes. I watched SPN for the brother interaction and it's no longer there. I hated to walk away from it, but if there's nothing I like about it, why keep watching? :-( If Eric and CW can get their heads out of their asses and fix this show, I'll be back.