TGIF and let's talk about the Winchesters

[agt_spooky]

Happy Friday the 13th, everyone!!

I'd like to say I'm looking forward to the weekend, but I've got a stack of boxes sitting in my bedroom that need to be unpacked and just...bleh, you know? Geez, I hate the aftermath of moving.

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Anyway, I've had a whole bunch of new people friend me over the last week or so, so I wanted to say Hello and Welcome! I look forward to getting to know you and seeing a comment or two from you here. Man, I still can't believe that there are now 150 people who've friended me. Am I that interesting?? :-)

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I'd like to thank those of you who responded to my icon stealing post yesterday. I've asked the person to contact me, so we'll see how that goes. And I'm still deciding on whether or not to take down all of my icons or put an "agt_spooky" watermark on them. (thanks, khek!)

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One thing that DOES make me happy on this Friday is a link my friend sen1995 sent to me this morning, from futoncritic, about the last three SPN eps of the season. If you don't want to know the episode titles or who will be guest starring, don't click. But me? I'm doing the freaking dance of joy! (And no, I have not broken the promise to myself to remain unspoiled for the finale. There's no synopsis for the finale listed here, just the guest star)

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20070412cw03

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Speaking of the last several episodes of the season - is there something you guys would like to see happen that hasn't yet so far this year? For me, it's Dean's amulet. I want to know SO bad what the significance of it is, it's driving me crazy.

So c'mon and let's get a little discussion going here. Just a reminder to those that DO know what's going to happen (especially in the season finale) do NOT post spoilers here. This is for those of us who are clueless and our wish lists. :-)

Let's chat!

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[sen1995.livejournal.com]

Possible spoiler for Ep 20 ahead if you are avoiding same!

Continued . . .

2. Am I the only person who's not enamoured with Sarah? There's been a lot of talk about who was better for Sam after Jess, Madison or Sarah, and Sarah is winning by a long shot. Now personally, I don't think Sam knew either of these two women long enough to have either of them come anywhere near his feelings for Jess, but putting that aside, and not saying that I necessarily liked Madison much better, I never took a great liking to Sarah (I know, who's asking me!), but there is something about her that I've never seen mentioned anywhere and while I might be stoned for this, I finally decided to bring it up here. I thought Sarah seemed like such the classic Mary Sue character. She was too perfect - beyond gorgeous, bright, spunky, funny, etc. She horned into the boys' investigation, insisted on accompanying them to the cemetery and to the house where the painting was - twice, Sam had to protect her, etc. Now I'm willing to have my mind changed. And there was a lot about this episode that I did like - again, great brother moments, it was nice to hear both Dean and Sam talk about Jess and that she would want Sam to be happy, etc.

But still, there was just something about Sarah that was . . . too perfect for me. Next to Jo and Ellen, I think she is my least favorite female costar on SPN. I liked Madison more, but Jess is still my favorite. In the little bit we saw of her, you could tell she loved Sam, was supportive of him, she was funny, beautiful, etc. (I credit great writing for this, and the chemistry/acting of Jared and Adrianne). I'm looking forward to seeing her again in Ep 20 (if the rumors are true). Of course, the problem is that she is dead! Or is anyone really ever dead on SPN? And even though she was engaged to someone else, I think Sam and Ava would have been adorable together.

OK, I'll shut up now. Thanks, Barb.

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[dairwendan.livejournal.com]

Imagine if you were apparently the only SPN fan who loves Bugs! *LOL* Yes, I LOVE the episode Bugs! I admit I FF past the ACTUAL Bugs, but the discussions about John and how Sam and Dean each saw his behavior toward Sam is worth it! Just the moment when Dean tells Sam that John went to check on him at Stanford is worth it!

Now, Wendigo - love it too! Hello? How could anyone dis the episode with "Saving people, hunting things - The Family Business!" Or Sam's Nightmare at Jess' grave? I LOVE that scene! And the way Dean looks at him after he wakes up? So concerned and protective and big brotherly! The 'Corporeal' exchange! *lol* "Must you cheapen the moment?" "Yeah." What's not to love about Wendigo? Seriously?

Route 666 - Maybe I'm the only one who loves this one. I'm really happy that they took on racism. I loved that they came up against something they couldn't burn and had to think their way out of it, FAST! I mean, has anybody WATCHED this episode? I love the tension in that scene when we don't know what Sam's plan is and what's gonna happen to Dean. When that truck starts coming at the Impala - heart attack I swear! And of course Dean's look at his cell when Sam says, "Hon3estly the thought hadn't occurred to me." SERIOUS Dean character motivation info here! The whole scene with Sam realizing "You loved her!" And Dean's "I got too close and look how it ended up" - we would be looking at Dean in a totally different way if we didn't have that little gem! Also, I liked Cassie. I liked the information that Dean actually told her the truth ("You TOLD Her!!!") and she thought he was crazy and dumped him. That's real, that would happen. But Dean actually calling her on it? "Oh, that’s hilarious. See, I’m not the one who took that big final door and slammed it behind me." When else do we get to see Dean be pissed at someone for hurting him in a direct, confrontational way like that? And the sex scene rocked. I liked Sam's little moment of missing his life at college. I just found an awful lot to like in that ep.

But I liked Sarah too. Maybe I have no taste? But she was presented as someone who Sam would fall for. I'm not saying I can't see the Mary Sue qualities, but I didn't see that she crossed the line into an actual Mary Sue. She wanted to go to the house because she knew the lady who'd bought the painting. Then she SAW the painting move. That's what pulled her in. It's not like she swept in and saved Sam and Dean or something. Besides, the Dean and Sam banter over her was too good to quibble!

Season One Versus Season Two - that's really difficult. We were still finding out so much during season one. I'd say to a person we all HATED John for most of season one, then we met him and now I'd say at least 95% of the fandom loves him. Also, we didn't really know we were building toward something. Season Two started out with 'What did John whisper to Dean?' and more and more characters and events seem to have been connected with the YED. The eps in season 2 which don't have any mythology do seem more disconnected because we have so much more mythology now. Also, I haven't been real happy with the way they'll have a major angsty ep (BUABS, Heart) which bring up a LOT of issues which should be resolved, followed by a complete comedy ep (TT, HB) and then don't reference the angst at all. I definitely understand that they need non-mythology eps for new viewers, but there should be more of an easing from the angst into the comedy and some kind of reference or partial resolution. I felt they did that really well with ELAC, then apparently forgot how.

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[sen1995.livejournal.com]

Imagine if you were apparently the only SPN fan who loves Bugs! *LOL* Yes, I LOVE the episode Bugs! I admit I FF past the ACTUAL Bugs, but the discussions about John and how Sam and Dean each saw his behavior toward Sam is worth it! Just the moment when Dean tells Sam that John went to check on him at Stanford is worth it!

Oh, you're not the only one! I love Bugs also. The first scene between the boys, Sam sitting on the Impala and Dean coming out of the bar with his winnings, the whole "we could get a real job once in a while" "hunting's our real job, and the pay sucks" and "honest . . . fun and easy - no contest" - love all of it. And lots of brother moments in this one, discussion about Dad, learning that Dad went to Stanford to check on Sam, etc., etc. And of course the whole "we welcome homeowners of any race, religion or sexual orientation" thing. Yep, I love Bugs, too!

Now, Wendigo - love it too! Hello? How could anyone dis the episode with "Saving people, hunting things - The Family Business!" Or Sam's Nightmare at Jess' grave? I LOVE that scene! And the way Dean looks at him after he wakes up? So concerned and protective and big brotherly! The 'Corporeal' exchange! *lol* "Must you cheapen the moment?" "Yeah." What's not to love about Wendigo? Seriously?

I don't understand it either, that's why I asked. And yes, I forgot to mention Sam's nightmare and the boys in the car afterwards. And the talk near the fire, when Sam says that "finding Dad, finding Jessica's killer" is all he can think abou and Dean promising him that they will find them but that it is going to take time and Sam has to pace himself. And saying that he (Dean) is suppose to be the belligerent one. I could go on, but I will just say that I loved this episode, for many reasons.u

Route 666 - Maybe I'm the only one who loves this one. I'm really happy that they took on racism. I loved that they came up against something they couldn't burn and had to think their way out of it, FAST! I mean, has anybody WATCHED this episode? I love the tension in that scene when we don't know what Sam's plan is and what's gonna happen to Dean. When that truck starts coming at the Impala - heart attack I swear! And of course Dean's look at his cell when Sam says, "Hon3estly the thought hadn't occurred to me." SERIOUS Dean character motivation info here! The whole scene with Sam realizing "You loved her!" And Dean's "I got too close and look how it ended up" - we would be looking at Dean in a totally different way if we didn't have that little gem! Also, I liked Cassie. I liked the information that Dean actually told her the truth ("You TOLD Her!!!") and she thought he was crazy and dumped him. That's real, that would happen. But Dean actually calling her on it? "Oh, that’s hilarious. See, I’m not the one who took that big final door and slammed it behind me." When else do we get to see Dean be pissed at someone for hurting him in a direct, confrontational way like that? And the sex scene rocked. I liked Sam's little moment of missing his life at college. I just found an awful lot to like in that ep.

See, I did, too. Outside of my complaints about the actress, I loved this episode and especially the brother moments. When Sam figures out that Dean loved her and then that she dumped him, not the other way around? And later, when Sam says that sometimes he misses boring (or is it normal?) and then says that he misses conversations that don't start with 'this killer truck' and the little understanding smile we see on Dean's face? I love those moments. Oh, and the sex scene? Simply hot. I was frankly amazed that we were seeing that on network TV, but I was happy to see it!

Again, my comment is too long - I will break it into two.

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[sen1995.livejournal.com]

Comment, Part 2

But I liked Sarah too. Maybe I have no taste? But she was presented as someone who Sam would fall for. I'm not saying I can't see the Mary Sue qualities, but I didn't see that she crossed the line into an actual Mary Sue. She wanted to go to the house because she knew the lady who'd bought the painting. Then she SAW the painting move. That's what pulled her in. It's not like she swept in and saved Sam and Dean or something. Besides, the Dean and Sam banter over her was too good to quibble!

I would never say you had no taste - as I said, if anything she was *too* perfect. So we'll have to agree to disagree about Sarah, but I certainly agree about the brother banter generated by her. Wonderful!

Season One Versus Season Two . . . I haven't been real happy with the way they'll have a major angsty ep (BUABS, Heart) which bring up a LOT of issues which should be resolved, followed by a complete comedy ep (TT, HB) and then don't reference the angst at all . . . should be more of an easing from the angst into the comedy and some kind of reference or partial resolution . . . I felt they did that really well with ELAC, then apparently forgot how.

I agree with all you say here. I am still holding out hope that we will see some reference to the events in BUABS and Heart in the final episodes. But I have been fairly pleased with how they treated lots of the angst this year, particularly Dad's death and its affect on the boys and references back to it in ELAC, Bloodlust, CSPWDT, Crossroad Blues, etc.

I simply love this show. And I know I'm not alone here! Thanks!