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agt_spooky) wrote2007-04-13 08:08 am
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TGIF and let's talk about the Winchesters
Happy Friday the 13th, everyone!!
I'd like to say I'm looking forward to the weekend, but I've got a stack of boxes sitting in my bedroom that need to be unpacked and just...bleh, you know? Geez, I hate the aftermath of moving.
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Anyway, I've had a whole bunch of new people friend me over the last week or so, so I wanted to say Hello and Welcome! I look forward to getting to know you and seeing a comment or two from you here. Man, I still can't believe that there are now 150 people who've friended me. Am I that interesting?? :-)
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I'd like to thank those of you who responded to my icon stealing post yesterday. I've asked the person to contact me, so we'll see how that goes. And I'm still deciding on whether or not to take down all of my icons or put an "agt_spooky" watermark on them. (thanks,
khek!)
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One thing that DOES make me happy on this Friday is a link my friend
sen1995 sent to me this morning, from futoncritic, about the last three SPN eps of the season. If you don't want to know the episode titles or who will be guest starring, don't click. But me? I'm doing the freaking dance of joy! (And no, I have not broken the promise to myself to remain unspoiled for the finale. There's no synopsis for the finale listed here, just the guest star)
http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20070412cw03
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Speaking of the last several episodes of the season - is there something you guys would like to see happen that hasn't yet so far this year? For me, it's Dean's amulet. I want to know SO bad what the significance of it is, it's driving me crazy.
So c'mon and let's get a little discussion going here. Just a reminder to those that DO know what's going to happen (especially in the season finale) do NOT post spoilers here. This is for those of us who are clueless and our wish lists. :-)
Let's chat!
I'd like to say I'm looking forward to the weekend, but I've got a stack of boxes sitting in my bedroom that need to be unpacked and just...bleh, you know? Geez, I hate the aftermath of moving.
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Anyway, I've had a whole bunch of new people friend me over the last week or so, so I wanted to say Hello and Welcome! I look forward to getting to know you and seeing a comment or two from you here. Man, I still can't believe that there are now 150 people who've friended me. Am I that interesting?? :-)
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I'd like to thank those of you who responded to my icon stealing post yesterday. I've asked the person to contact me, so we'll see how that goes. And I'm still deciding on whether or not to take down all of my icons or put an "agt_spooky" watermark on them. (thanks,
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One thing that DOES make me happy on this Friday is a link my friend
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http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20070412cw03
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Speaking of the last several episodes of the season - is there something you guys would like to see happen that hasn't yet so far this year? For me, it's Dean's amulet. I want to know SO bad what the significance of it is, it's driving me crazy.
So c'mon and let's get a little discussion going here. Just a reminder to those that DO know what's going to happen (especially in the season finale) do NOT post spoilers here. This is for those of us who are clueless and our wish lists. :-)
Let's chat!
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I want to know why Dean wasn't the one singled out by the demon. In all the other "special kids" cases, it was the first born that was chosen. Why was Sammy chosen and not Dean? Does Dean have some special, higher purpose in all of this?
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Oooh, good one! Perhaps with the special children storyline supposedly wrapping up the the season finale, we may actually have a shot at learning this.
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There's too much to pick one thing, though (which is why I love this show!). I've always wondered how John found out about Sam, and personally I'm sure that he knew a lot more about Sam and his destiny than he told Dean, so I want to know what else he knew! And, like charityflint, I want to find out about Dean. I really think that he might have some higher purpose in all of this that we don't know about yet.
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Really? I thought it was something like the two-or-fours years thingy. That they didn't think about it until fans started dissecting it O.o
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Wow, I totally forgot about that! Yes! Would love to find that out. I remember Eric saying in one of the TV Guide interviews that yes, we'd eventually find out why.
And yeah, I'd really like to find out how John figured everything out about Sam. I'm thinking that with the special children storyline supposedly wrapping up at the end of this season, we have a good chance at finding this out. Fingers crossed!
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I couldn't find your post, so I'm guessing someone took icons directly from your userinfo? That's bold...
Speaking of the last several episodes of the season - is there something you guys would like to see happen that hasn't yet so far this year?
Dean's amulet and the reason for his bleeding eyes in Bloody Mary. But I don't think these will be explained in season two... There's not so much time left and I guess they are going to build up to the finale...
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Yep, stole one and is using it as her default. Nice, eh? And she hasn't responded back to my email, either.
Dean's amulet and the reason for his bleeding eyes in Bloody Mary
I want to know both of these as well, but like you said, something tells me it won't happen this season. Darn! Kripke better have them planned for next year, though!
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I want to know about the amulet, too - it just seems strange that if it is for protection then why didn't Sam get one, too (or why hasn't Dean given his to Sam?). But I want to know! I also want to know why Mary apologized to Sam in Home - was it just a general *sorry* because Jess was killed or did she do something, make a deal w/the demon or something, to cause all of Sam's problems. And if you've ever read the pilot script, it says something about Mary having a look of recognition, or something like that, when she runs into Sammy's nursery.
I also want to know more about the boys' lives, and like someone said above, why did Dean's eyes bleed in Bloody Mary, and . . . well, I want to know everything!
By the way, SPN finally got a little bit of a write-up in this week's Entertainment Weekly, in the TV preview What to Watch section, SPN is next week's Must Watch of the Week!!! It says (and the bold emphasis is mine):
It might be too much awesome for you, Super fans. Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Dean (Jensen Ackles) return from a four-week break just in time to . . . go on vacation. To Hollywood! (Try not to obsess about how ghostbusting leaves room in the budget for leisure travel.) While on a tour, the brothers waltz onto the set of a horror film, and it's a good thing, too, because soon there are spooky deaths! And inside jokes! And Gary Cole as a studio tool with silly script notes! And if Dean as the greatest production assistant in the history of film doesn't get ya, nothing will.
And they gave it a grade of B+.
There is also a fairly large picture of the boys (from Nightshifter) with the caption Natural high: Ackles and Padalecki work on their befuddled stares
I hope the mention of the vacation thing means they finally took a break and maybe went to the Grand Canyon and are now in Hollywood to try to bang Lindsay Lohan!
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Ooh, good one! Yeah, what WAS up with that? It was so ambiguous (and I'm sure Eric wanted it that way) that it's left us all wondering.
And if you've ever read the pilot script, it says something about Mary having a look of recognition
Yep, I read that! And I also wondered why that was left out of the filmed version. Hmmmm....
and . . . well, I want to know everything!
LOL! What I think is neat about this discussion is that we've all brought up a bunch of things that have yet to be answered, and if the special children story line is wrapping up this season, Eric certainly has enough things that he's left open-ended to keep him going next year!
By the way, SPN finally got a little bit of a write-up in this week's Entertainment Weekly
I was SO excited to see this in my EW when I got home on Friday. It was half the page! I wonder if this is in response to all those emails that were sent to EW - they're finally giving us the recognition we deserve! Though an "A" would've been better. :-)
I hope the mention of the vacation thing means they finally took a break and maybe went to the Grand Canyon and are now in Hollywood to try to bang Lindsay Lohan!
LOL! OMG, that would be the perfect tie-in, why they're out there in the first place! Brilliant idea!
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I also rewatched parts of Heart yesterday and was reminded that near the beginning, after Sam asks Dean if he can be a bigger geek about hunting a werewolf and then says "Okay, Sparky! And after we kill it we can go to Disneyland." Now the way things turned out could definitely change those plans, but it could be another reason why they head to Hollywood.
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I love all this speculation, and then 9 times out of 10 we're totally wrong! LOL! Still, I really do want to know how they end up in Hollywood. :-)
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And good lord, I didn't stop laughing through all three of them! Jared's face was priceless when Gilmore Girls was mentioned and Dean as the PA in the last clip? Bwhahaha! And then Gary Cole on top of everything?? Oh, this is gonna be a winner already, I can tell. Hee!
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YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Happy Happy Happy Happy Happy ME!
Now, what do I want to see??? Hmmm. I guess I'd like to know what happened to Ava. And why exactly the Demons needed to know that Sam would be immune to the demon virus? I mean, what exactly was that whole deal?
I'd like to know if Gordon is still in jail or if he's escaped, or made a deal to get out.
I'd like to know if Agent Hendricks is any kind of demon or shapeshifter or other supernatural being.
I want to see them get off the most wanted list.
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I know! I was doing the happy dance in my chair when I read it! The fact that he's gonna be in BOTH parts of the finale makes me so happy! I'm just terrified that the boys are going to march into Hell to save him and something happens and they can't and that'll just break my heart. [sniff]
Now, what do I want to see??? Hmmm. I guess I'd like to know what happened to Ava. And why exactly the Demons needed to know that Sam would be immune to the demon virus?
Oooh, now those I think we actually have a chance at finding out before the season's over.
As for Gordon and Henricks - something tells me we may have to wait for next year for those, darn!
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I'd love to see another flashback episode with some kind of situation that shows what kind of a father John was. Maybe with Bobby and Pastor Jim around.
I'd also like to know how John found out about Sam and the other children like him.
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I'd also like to know how John found out about Sam and the other children like him
Now this, I think we have a good chance of finding out, possibly in the season finale.
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Barb, I hope you don't mind if I expand the chat beyond the coming episodes. During the break since Heart I've been reading a bunch of stuff on various lists and forums about SPN. There's been a lot of discussion of Season 1 vs. Season 2, discussion about Jensen vs. Jared (and I won't even go there), and discussion about Madison and other love interests of S&D. And I'm beginning to feel like the lone ranger as I read some of these things and I wanted to post a couple of questions here because I feel like your flist is mainly composed of loyal SPN fans who support the boys and love the show.
1. I'm starting to feel like I'm the only person who liked Wendigo, and I never felt like that before. So many of the new posts I've read about Season 1 vs. Season 2 include a line something like "at least Season 2 didn't have an episode like Wendigo" (and usually Route 666 is mentioned in the same breath). Now maybe I can see the problems some people have with Route 666 - they don't like Cassie and feel the storyline is weak. I still like the episode - there are 2 or 3 brother moments I wouldn't trade for anything and, while I didn't care for the actress who played Cassie, I loved learning about Dean's past and especially liked watching Sam learn about Dean's past and gain further insight into his brother. But Wendigo? What do people not like about that episode? Again, great brother moments, a creepy monster, lots of funny moments (especially from Dean - "that's the most honest I've ever been with a woman . . . ever" and then that smirk - this might be the moment that I would have fallen in love with Dean if I had seen the first season's eps in order), etc. And I loved the way this ep was filmed - lots of night scenes with wonderful lighting (moonlight, firelight, emergency lights, etc.) So what is everyone's problem with Wendigo?
And I think trying to compare Season 1 and Season 2 is like comparing apples and oranges. So much about them is completely different, and if forced to choose I would have to say that Season 2 has moved me more (even if it did include No Exit!), but having said that I wouldn't trade Season 1 for anything. I loved it. And Season 2 would not have the emotional impact if we didn't have the understanding and history set by Season 1. And what would I do without Phantom Traveler, DITW, Scarecrow, Home, Nightmare, Something Wicked, Salvation, Devil's Trap, etc., etc., etc.
My comment is again too long (I think someone is trying to tell me something!), so I will break it up into two entries.
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1. I thought I was the only one who liked Wendigo! I’m in the same boat as you, really; everybody I’ve heard from doesn’t like it. I liked both Wendigo and Route 666. Granted, I seem to have liked Cassie a little more than most, but her aside, I liked the episode for the same reasons you did.
I absolutely agree with you about comparing seasons 1 and 2. It’s still the same show, still has the same feel and foundation, but I feel like they are very different. I can’t even say that I really like one season better than the other…they’re both important, and I love a lot of the episodes in season 1; Hell House is still one of the ones I watch most often. And season 2 has its ups and downs just like season 1 did.
2. I’m a huge fan of Jess. Even though we really don’t know much about her, the fact that she had such a huge effect on Sam tells me all I need to know. I liked Sarah, but have always thought something was a little off about her, and now that you’ve pointed it out, I’ve realized that she was a little too perfect for me. I wasn’t a huge fan of either Madison or Sarah, but I didn’t really mind them too much either. I would mind them if they stuck around for more than one episode, though, because I don’t think they’re the right “long-term” girls for Sam.
Be careful with that Ep 20 rumor—I hadn’t heard that one before. I don’t mind so much since it wasn’t too specific, but I know there are people who will. Might want to add a little spoiler warning in your post or something?
I loved Ava! She’s actually my favorite so far for Sam, even though she wasn’t really presented in a romantic context.
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Sorry! I thought I had actually read that rumor here somewhere, but I certainly want to be sure not to spoil anything - I know Barb would kill me if I did it for the last 2 eps! So I edited my previous post to say that there was a possible spoiler for Ep. 20 - thanks for reminding me. Of course, it now sort of puts that post out of order here - sorry about that.
I'm glad to know I'm not alone about Wendigo! And I wanted to clarify that I liked the character of Cassie okay (though how she could dump Dean is beyond me, but we probably know him better than she did at the time) - I just thought the actress brought absolutely no life to her and led me to wonder what Dean saw in her (beyond the obvious) that would raise her above all of his other *relationships* to the point where he felt he was in love with her.
Ava was adorable, and Sam is adorable. They were adorable together. But I agree that she was not meant to be a romantic interest for Sam, and I'm fine with that. I like the fact that the boys actually have great interactions with women (Layla, Becky, Charlie, the police officer from The Benders whose name I always forget, Andrea, etc.) that don't have to center on romance.
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2. Am I the only person who's not enamoured with Sarah? There's been a lot of talk about who was better for Sam after Jess, Madison or Sarah, and Sarah is winning by a long shot. Now personally, I don't think Sam knew either of these two women long enough to have either of them come anywhere near his feelings for Jess, but putting that aside, and not saying that I necessarily liked Madison much better, I never took a great liking to Sarah (I know, who's asking me!), but there is something about her that I've never seen mentioned anywhere and while I might be stoned for this, I finally decided to bring it up here. I thought Sarah seemed like such the classic Mary Sue character. She was too perfect - beyond gorgeous, bright, spunky, funny, etc. She horned into the boys' investigation, insisted on accompanying them to the cemetery and to the house where the painting was - twice, Sam had to protect her, etc. Now I'm willing to have my mind changed. And there was a lot about this episode that I did like - again, great brother moments, it was nice to hear both Dean and Sam talk about Jess and that she would want Sam to be happy, etc.
But still, there was just something about Sarah that was . . . too perfect for me. Next to Jo and Ellen, I think she is my least favorite female costar on SPN. I liked Madison more, but Jess is still my favorite. In the little bit we saw of her, you could tell she loved Sam, was supportive of him, she was funny, beautiful, etc. (I credit great writing for this, and the chemistry/acting of Jared and Adrianne). I'm looking forward to seeing her again in Ep 20 (if the rumors are true). Of course, the problem is that she is dead! Or is anyone really ever dead on SPN? And even though she was engaged to someone else, I think Sam and Ava would have been adorable together.
OK, I'll shut up now. Thanks, Barb.
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Now, Wendigo - love it too! Hello? How could anyone dis the episode with "Saving people, hunting things - The Family Business!" Or Sam's Nightmare at Jess' grave? I LOVE that scene! And the way Dean looks at him after he wakes up? So concerned and protective and big brotherly! The 'Corporeal' exchange! *lol* "Must you cheapen the moment?" "Yeah." What's not to love about Wendigo? Seriously?
Route 666 - Maybe I'm the only one who loves this one. I'm really happy that they took on racism. I loved that they came up against something they couldn't burn and had to think their way out of it, FAST! I mean, has anybody WATCHED this episode? I love the tension in that scene when we don't know what Sam's plan is and what's gonna happen to Dean. When that truck starts coming at the Impala - heart attack I swear! And of course Dean's look at his cell when Sam says, "Hon3estly the thought hadn't occurred to me." SERIOUS Dean character motivation info here! The whole scene with Sam realizing "You loved her!" And Dean's "I got too close and look how it ended up" - we would be looking at Dean in a totally different way if we didn't have that little gem! Also, I liked Cassie. I liked the information that Dean actually told her the truth ("You TOLD Her!!!") and she thought he was crazy and dumped him. That's real, that would happen. But Dean actually calling her on it? "Oh, that’s hilarious. See, I’m not the one who took that big final door and slammed it behind me." When else do we get to see Dean be pissed at someone for hurting him in a direct, confrontational way like that? And the sex scene rocked. I liked Sam's little moment of missing his life at college. I just found an awful lot to like in that ep.
But I liked Sarah too. Maybe I have no taste? But she was presented as someone who Sam would fall for. I'm not saying I can't see the Mary Sue qualities, but I didn't see that she crossed the line into an actual Mary Sue. She wanted to go to the house because she knew the lady who'd bought the painting. Then she SAW the painting move. That's what pulled her in. It's not like she swept in and saved Sam and Dean or something. Besides, the Dean and Sam banter over her was too good to quibble!
Season One Versus Season Two - that's really difficult. We were still finding out so much during season one. I'd say to a person we all HATED John for most of season one, then we met him and now I'd say at least 95% of the fandom loves him. Also, we didn't really know we were building toward something. Season Two started out with 'What did John whisper to Dean?' and more and more characters and events seem to have been connected with the YED. The eps in season 2 which don't have any mythology do seem more disconnected because we have so much more mythology now. Also, I haven't been real happy with the way they'll have a major angsty ep (BUABS, Heart) which bring up a LOT of issues which should be resolved, followed by a complete comedy ep (TT, HB) and then don't reference the angst at all. I definitely understand that they need non-mythology eps for new viewers, but there should be more of an easing from the angst into the comedy and some kind of reference or partial resolution. I felt they did that really well with ELAC, then apparently forgot how.
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But I liked Sarah too. Maybe I have no taste? But she was presented as someone who Sam would fall for. I'm not saying I can't see the Mary Sue qualities, but I didn't see that she crossed the line into an actual Mary Sue. She wanted to go to the house because she knew the lady who'd bought the painting. Then she SAW the painting move. That's what pulled her in. It's not like she swept in and saved Sam and Dean or something. Besides, the Dean and Sam banter over her was too good to quibble!
I would never say you had no taste - as I said, if anything she was *too* perfect. So we'll have to agree to disagree about Sarah, but I certainly agree about the brother banter generated by her. Wonderful!
Season One Versus Season Two . . . I haven't been real happy with the way they'll have a major angsty ep (BUABS, Heart) which bring up a LOT of issues which should be resolved, followed by a complete comedy ep (TT, HB) and then don't reference the angst at all . . . should be more of an easing from the angst into the comedy and some kind of reference or partial resolution . . . I felt they did that really well with ELAC, then apparently forgot how.
I agree with all you say here. I am still holding out hope that we will see some reference to the events in BUABS and Heart in the final episodes. But I have been fairly pleased with how they treated lots of the angst this year, particularly Dad's death and its affect on the boys and references back to it in ELAC, Bloodlust, CSPWDT, Crossroad Blues, etc.
I simply love this show. And I know I'm not alone here! Thanks!
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I must warn them before they get in too deep!!!
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