Supernatural - more spoilers for episode 20!

[agt_spooky]

Got some more info on episode 20, folks!



I saw this posted by andromakhe001 at supernatural_tv:

There is more to the episode. More sides have been posted(per TWOP). Instead it appears that without his mother being murdered and his father mistreating him and emotionally neglecting him, Dean would have been an irresponsible jerk who was a disappointment to his whole family and was never there for Sam.

Wow...I'm not sure I like this episode anymore. So with two loving parents Dean turns out to be a jerk?? Huh?? So that Mary being killed and John being a not so great father and dragging his sons into a world of hunting is what made Dean a better man? They'd really better explain, and it had better be good, how exactly Dean turns out like this. It's hard to see how Dean could see his real life as a blessing, you know? Especially with Sam's "destiny" looming over their heads, not to mention everything else he's gone through over the past 20+ years. He's already lost both parents and may have to kill his brother, and he'll be happy to get back to all of that? What a twisted take on It's a Wonderful Life, there Eric!

Hmmm...wonder if we'll get to see Mary in this episode as well. Wow, talk about a total angst-fest for Dean! If either or both John and Mary are in this episode, but John especially, I think it would fuel Dean's fire to get his father back from Hell, leading into the two-part season finale after this episode, where I firmly believe that the boys are marching down there to save him.

What do you guys think of this episode now?

Comments

[agt-spooky.livejournal.com]

Thanks for the Djinn info! The sides that I read last night almost make it sound like Dean may have been tricked into making this wish, so I'm really curious as to how this all goes down.

doesn't mean that one thing caused the other.

Good point! And I hope that how Dean's life turned out in this warped reality is explained. Where did Dean's life go so wrong when the rest of his family seems to be on track? Geez, this poor guy can't win! His life sucks in reality and sucks in alternate reality, too!

And I'm thinking that is probably what Dean will have to do to reverse this.

Yep, I'm thinking we'll have to hunt this sucker down, eh?

[dairwendan.livejournal.com]

And I hope that how Dean's life turned out in this warped reality is explained. Where did Dean's life go so wrong when the rest of his family seems to be on track? Geez, this poor guy can't win! His life sucks in reality and sucks in alternate reality, too!

I know, how awful! I can see why they wrote it that way if they are going to make Dean feel guilty about putting things right because everyone else is better off and has the life they wanted. So does he or doesn't he?

But as far as the logic of it, I don't see it. The Mary and John of the pilot would never have allowed that to happen. And I feel that the only reason that Dean is 'a womanizer' now is that he knows he'll never be in one place long enough to have a real relationship. And the one time he tried to, with Cassie, he told her the truth about his family and she thought he was a whackjob and dumped him. So what's a guy to do? If you ever wanna get laid, you do one night stands with virtual strangers. BUt the way Dean was with Cassie tells me that this is NOT the way he would have been if he'd had a different life.

Nor do I think he ever would have been a black sheep. Little Dean was a Daddy's boy from the word go, you can see that in the pilot. And in Something Wicked, Dean is already responsible and obedient before the shtriga ever shows up.

Yep, I'm thinking we'll have to hunt this sucker down, eh?

IF this is the beginning of a Dean arc though, who knows? It may get dragged out. Also, this may or may not have any relevance to the episode or to the series, but it's an interesting fact that Djinn do procreate. I don't know if they can do so with humans, but maybe. You never know what they might throw in there.

[agt-spooky.livejournal.com]

I can see why they wrote it that way if they are going to make Dean feel guilty about putting things right because everyone else is better off and has the life they wanted. So does he or doesn't he?

God, that would be horrible! Doesn’t Dean ever get to be happy for crying out loud?? He’s spent his entire life making sure Sammy and Dad were ok, giving up all of HIS dreams for them. Then to maybe be faced with this choice? I’ll throttle Eric if that’s the way the episode goes. I’m already not pleased with him, with what we know so far – why does Dean always have to get the short end of the stick? Crappy real life and crappy “alternate” life. Nice.

The Mary and John of the pilot would never have allowed that to happen

And that’s my biggest argument as well. I just do not believe that Dean would turn out to be a jerk that hates his family with two loving parents and a brother. So there had better be a damn good explanation as to why he DID in this other universe.

BUt the way Dean was with Cassie tells me that this is NOT the way he would have been if he'd had a different life.

Yep, I believe that as well. As the seasons have progressed and we’ve seen cracks in Dean’s armor, we know that he’s got a big, caring heart underneath that macho façade and I believe would be loyal to one woman if given the chance.

Nor do I think he ever would have been a black sheep. Little Dean was a Daddy's boy from the word go, you can see that in the pilot.

And with Mary NOT dying, the possibilites for Dean’s life would have been endless. So he becomes a slacker jerk instead? Don’t think so, Eric!

[dairwendan.livejournal.com]

God, that would be horrible! Doesn’t Dean ever get to be happy for crying out loud??

No. No, he doesn't.

So he becomes a slacker jerk instead? Don’t think so, Eric!

Yeah, I definitely hope it is made clear WHY Dean would turn out this way, OR it's made clear that this is the Djinn's idea of what would have happened, not necessarily what would have REALLY happened.

If it's not made clear, I'm going with the Djinn theory anyway.