agt_spooky | New season six Supernatural spoiler

Wait...HUSBAND? Is that poor word choice or does Dean actually marry her? Wow. I love Lisa, but I never would have expected that.

I´m so sighing with you here, Barb. That´s a storyline I was afraid of since they let Dean say things pointing in this direction last season....and that´s SO not what I want to watch. But at this point I´m all for not letting interviews or spoilers of some kind get to me, because we´ll see (not) soon enough and THEN it will be hard to handle if everything really comes true what we are afraid of but why losing all joy beforehand when NOTHING is proofed yet - that´s my way to go here....

I think the line about being Lisa's "husband" was a joke. Ausiello really isn't all that witty.

I'm perfectly fine with Dean making a life with Lisa, because I was more afraid they'd use the opportunity to make Dean look even more like a loser than they too often try to do by telling us she kicked him to the curb and he's been drunk in a gutter somewhere all this time.

Yeah, I totally believe Kripke and Sera would do something like that - or, rather, Kripke would. He's tried doing crap like that before and it's actually been the other writers who have reined him in. Seriously, I wish Kripke would get over whatever issues he has with his real brother and stop trying to bring them to the show all the time.

I honestly never believed we'd see a true season one/two situation between Dean and Sam again - not that things were exactly perfect between them in season one either. It really wasn't until later in the first season that Sam started seeing how much Dean had done for him and meant to him, and that didn't actually last forever, as the last two or three years can attest to.

But these guys are different people than they were back then, so even in the best of situations, it's going to be different. And after being so thoroughly disappointed by the loss of Dean's mytharc role in season five, I would be happier to know that at the very least, the life Dean thought he wanted - with the significant other and a kid - is one that can and does make him happy, and that he'd be torn having to leave that life. It would be interesting to me to see if Dean can keep Lisa and Ben somewhere in his life while hitting the road to go back to hunting.

I do know Dean has a large heart and the capacity to love more than one person. We've seen evidence of that from day one - that's just who Dean is, and why I love him so much. :)

I'm with you guys on this one. As I said before on a mailing list, Kripke and Sera have been telling us for weeks in every interview that they do that Season 6 is going to be "all about the brothers" and that they're going to get back to what the flavor of Season 1 was all about. But now we have to deal with another season of Dean angst!!! Like the last 2 weren't enough.

I heard a rumor that Lisa was only supposed to be in 2 or 3 episodes. I hope that's one that turns out to be true and they move past it pretty fast, or else Sera's going to find herself on the receiving end of a lot of fan discontent.

The more I hear about the new season, the more apprehensive I become about it. When Sara first said it would be about the boys being brothers again I thought 'yay, seasons 1 & 2 again', but now..? We've got long lost cousins, and Ben and Lisa... anyone else we should know about, not forgetting about long dead grandpa. So much for being about the brothers. Guess I'll just have to wait and see. I really don't want my favourite show to be something I don't want to watch anymore :(

Hopefully they move on from that storyline pretty quickly. Enough to show that Dean is capable of living a life without Sam, the same as Sam was capable without Dean. And I'll be glad he's found love, but some brotherly stuff is all we're asking for.

Urgh! For some strange reason, I seem to be fearing this sixth season like the plague. If the recipe works, don't change it, it'll spoil the sauce! Okay... *takes a deap breath* I'm done. :)

Glad I'm not the only one not happy with some of the recent spoilers. Kripke and Sera are saying one thing, but their actions don't match up.

Even if Lisa is only in one or two episodes, if Dean's going to be all mopy about her all season long, I'm really not going to enjoy season six like I thought I was going to.

Yes, thankfully, Ausiello was kidding about the husband part, though he nearly gave me a heart attack when I started reading.

Ok, first, I have nothing against the character of Lisa. I like her. And I really like Ben. And I totally agree with you that Dean can love more than one person. And I want him to. It's just that it's with Lisa that I have a problem with.

IMO, Dean has more of a connection with Cassie from S1 than with Lisa. He was with Cassie for months and was the first person he told about "the family business". He was with Lisa for one weekend, for sex, years ago, and then suddenly she's the love of his life? I'm just having a hard time buying it.

I've always thought that Ben was Dean's kid (and I think Dean might still think it, too), despite what Lisa said. I haven't watched The Kids are Alright in a long time, but I remember thinking the way she said she did the DNA test didn't make much sense.

Seriously, I wish Kripke would get over whatever issues he has with his real brother and stop trying to bring them to the show all the time.

You know, I never thought about it that way.

that Sam started seeing how much Dean had done for him and meant to him, and that didn't actually last forever, as the last two or three years can attest to.

And that's what I miss - the brothers actually appreciating each other.

But these guys are different people than they were back then, so even in the best of situations, it's going to be different.

And I totally understand that. It would be boring if there was no character growth over five years. I'm just SO tired of them mistrusting each other. There's been a wedge between them, for one reason or another, for so freaking long, and I just want them to be happy around one another.

the life Dean thought he wanted - with the significant other and a kid - is one that can and does make him happy

I want Dean to be happy, I really do. But from the look on his face at the very end of Swan Song, sitting at Lisa's table, he looks anything but. If he'd have been smiling and maybe messing around with Ben, or hugging Lisa, I'd believe he was happy in his new life. Then again, I'm still not sure how much time had passed when we see that scene, with Sam outside. Was it the same day Dean showed up at Lisa's and he's still reeling from his brother's sacrifice and that's why he's not looking very happy? Or is it months later?

It would be interesting to me to see if Dean can keep Lisa and Ben somewhere in his life while hitting the road to go back to hunting

I just don't want to see Dean moping around, depressed, hating the fact that he's back with Sam (for whatever reason compelled him) instead of playing Mr. Mom with Lisa and Ben. Because there's the wedge between he and Sam again for another season and I'm just tired of that.

but why losing all joy beforehand when NOTHING is proofed yet - that´s my way to go here….

I guess I keep going back to my initial gut reaction when I first heard they were adding Ruby and Bela to the cast, the summer before season three. And I knew instantly that I was not going to like these characters, based on everything I'd read, and I didn't. So much so that I nearly left the fandom in S3. So when my gut is telling me something I go with it, as much as I hate to do sometimes. :-(

No, no, he was joking. He said, "I keed. I keed." after that. His delivery is just not all that witty.

you kidding dean married? big spoiler

Yea, I totally hear you. I really wanted Supernatural to finish at Season 5...(don't shoot me, just my opinion :)) so I have no hope for Season 6. Oh I'll watch, cos I've invested so much in it....but....as much as they say it'll be like Season 1 (oh how I miss you), I'm not getting any expectations up....

I just don't want to see Dean moping around, depressed, hating the fact that he's back with Sam (for whatever reason compelled him) instead of playing Mr. Mom with Lisa and Ben. Because there's the wedge between he and Sam again for another season and I'm just tired of that.

Please - this is Sera "JPad/Sam!girl" Gamble and Eric "Sam is my avatar (well, one of them)" Kripke. There is no way in hell they're going to allow Dean not to be all about Sam like he's been for five years. Sam's the only one who seemingly doesn't have to be about his brother a lot of the time.

So I'm not worried about Dean not being thrilled that Sam is back - but I am worried about them making Dean look like a jerk by dumping Lisa the first second Sam shows up again. That's the wrong way to approach it, it would make Dean look like a terrible person, and it's not who Dean should be, especially after however much time has passed between the end of season five and beginning of season six. He can be torn about leaving Lisa and Ben, and miss them terribly, and still be happy Sam is back and being on the hunt again, since that's in his blood.

eta: edited for dropped words!

I'm totally with you about mopey-Dean - I'm sick of it too, and I'd like the writers to remember that he's supposed to be a BDH and a bad-ass. Or how about just remembering that he's a lead character? Yeah, that would be really different from the end of season five.

He was with Cassie for months and was the first person he told about "the family business".

Actually, it was two weeks the first time around - before he and Sam showed up in Route 666. But I grant you the Cassie point - that was the longest relationship he's ever supposed to have had. I would love to have heard Dean at least mention Cassie again, and it annoys me that we never did.

But, honestly, this show is terrible WRT the love interests in general. The formula just doesn't allow the writers to really write anything more than a one-night stand for either of these guys. So if time has passed and Dean has stayed with Lisa, that would be different and at least it will give us a similar feel to Sam and Jess (and remember how mopey Sam still was about Jess in Free to Be You and Me) - and even that relationship was 99.9% off-screen in the past.

I got the impression there wasn't much time at all between the hole and Sam being resurrected from it and watching Dean through the window. Dean had on the same tee and shirt he did when he showed up on Lisa's doorstep. Granted, these guys don't have a lot of clothes to their names, but there was no feel for much of a time lapse. We'll have to wait and see what happens and what we're supposed to think when the season opens.

I miss the boys appreciating each other, and especially that being a two-way street. But, honestly, I think the writers made it worse in season five, and I never got any kind of a feeling that the relationship was truly repaired at the end of it all. I'd like to believe the writers will take another, and better, stab at it, but I'm guessing what they'll do is mostly hand-wave it away like they usually do.

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Following up on myself WRT Sam still dealing with the Jessica thing even into season five, and not just the beginning, but again at the end after the Brady reveal. Anyway, remember how much of the first season we saw Dean trying to comfort Sam about Jess, John being all understanding about Jessica's death, and how many times the Jess thing was brought up by Sam in that first season. Yet they managed to do that and still have the brothers have a relationship and get closer.

So if the writers want to be fair and care about how it's going to look when Dean leaves, they can still have the brothers being happy to be together with Sam being the one to offer the shoulder this time whenever Dean misses Lisa and Ben.

I'm assuming - probably shouldn't do that - that one reason Dean leaves to go back to the hunt is that it may be dangerous for him to stay with Lisa and Ben given whatever the heck is going on that requires the boys to hit the road again.

Hi, thanks for the news...

Mhm...I know, I´m cruel,but I thought of the two as new victims-to-be, so Dean is driven even more to hunt...
Like - what if someone comes for Dean and kills them instead...
So with Lisa (and Ben) dead, he would snapp back to SEASON 1 and get all avenger...
"OLD" Dean, as promissed...
*shruggs*

I even wondered, if Ben is his true son and maybe, maybe Ben could be a vessel, too. So the angels would be very, very intersted into him, right? And so Kriepke could wrap up that storyline, too. Well, he has to - Cas is still there, so the angel/Devil plot is not done, right?*blinks*

I even thought of the next Season would be about Dean and BEN hunting, because Sam was gone...
Dean once said, lying to family would be impossible, so I don´t think he would hide his hunter´s life from them. Lisa and Ben already know too much, so he has no need to hide it.

Yep, sorry I´ma a rather DEAN-focussed fangirl.Though I like the whole brotherly relationship and I think, Jared is great as SAM. Still, it would have been fun to see DEAN ride solo - at least for a few episodes, don´t you agree?

Greetings, *HUGS* and CU

Agreed. And it's stupid to say that Dean has never hunted while having people he loves and cares about. Um, hello? He's been doing that his WHOLE LIFE.

Dean deserves better than this. ::sighs::

"How can you be a hunter when there are actually people that you care about?"

I'm sorry, because Lisa and Ben are the first people that Dean has ever cared about while hunting? Really? REALLY? He didn't hunt while he had his father and his brother and Bobby and even Cassie to care about? OR is this hinting that he never gave a crap about any of them in the first place? Either way, NO EFFING THANK YOU, Show.

If this doesn't scream desperate-to-churn-out-unneeded-angsty-soap-opera-melodrama nothing does.

For the moment I'm definitely not thrilled at all by all the spoilers we get.... I'm starting to think that maybe it would have been better if season 5 had been the last season. I hope I'm wrong and that the writers will surprise me.

Hey, no problem, I've seen many folks say they wished it had ended after season five. I had such high hopes for season six, but the more spoilers I read the more concerned I become. [sigh]

No, no. He's not married. Ausiello said "I keed. I keed." after that. He was only joking, thankfully.

I know what you mean. I had such high hopes for season six, but the more spoilers I read the more concerned I become. [sigh]

I share your concerns. I had such high hopes for season six, but the more spoilers I read the more concerned I become. [sigh]

but some brotherly stuff is all we're asking for.

I couldn't have said it better myself. :-)

I've seen many folks say they wished it had ended after season five. I had such high hopes for season six, but the more spoilers I read the more concerned I become. [sigh]

At first I took that statement the same way you did, but I THINK what Eric really meant (and didn't say clearly) was that how can you be a hunter when there are people at home, non-hunters, who you care about and who you're apart from all the time. I'm not sure, of course, but I'm hoping so, otherwise that really would be a slap in the face.

And it's stupid to say that Dean has never hunted while having people he loves and cares about

At first I took that statement the same way you did, but I THINK what Eric really meant (and didn't say clearly) was that how can you be a hunter when there are people at home, non-hunters, who you care about and who you're apart from all the time. I'm not sure, of course, but I'm hoping so, otherwise that really would be a slap in the face.

I actually thought that something was going to happen to Ben and/or Lisa, too, and that's what drives Dean back into hunting. Doesn't sound like that's going to be the case, though. My only other thought is that something happens to Bobby, so Dean leaves with Sam to save him.

Oooh, Ben being Dean's son and being a vessel? Interesting thought!

I'm not sure about Ben being with Dean or Dean being by himself. We had Dean by himself for a few episodes last season and I was okay with that, but I think I'd rather have the boys back together next season. :-)

I really hope your take on it is right.

I think Dean will have to leave Lisa and Ben behind in order to offer them some protection from baddies. And I hope he doesn't pine for them too much.

Oh, I think it's back to basics. I think they've just given Dean the Season One Sam/Big Daddy Winchester backstory for season six.

Actually, I think it shows VERY little imagination to put a third spin on the SAME story. Wouldn't it have been nice if they'd focused instead on how two brothers funchtion in the aftermath of channeling Lucifer and dealing with angels?

I still don't know how the dead characters can come back though. Unless maybe Sam brought back some dead people with him.

*sigh* Spoilers not making me happy. :(

I'm thinking that you're right, why he goes back with Sam. And yeah, I just don't want a depressed Dean for an entire season. :-(

Wouldn't it have been nice if they'd focused instead on how two brothers funchtion in the aftermath of channeling Lucifer and dealing with angels?

See, that's what I wanted. I wanted Sam and Dean to actually grow closer, and become stronger for surviving what they went through the last two years. But instead it sounds like Dean will be depressed yet again and probably resenting Sam for whatever reason it is that takes Dean away from Lisa and Ben. Great. Can't wait.

Unless maybe Sam brought back some dead people with him.

[snort] "I see dead people..."

I no more want to see season one redo then I want to hunt down my high school boyfriend and make him take me back. Life goes on, people grow and change, these things aren't bad. S1 in that the scale of issues is more intimate? Yes to that, but more simple, not gonna happen. Show already alluded to that when Sam said (in 5.21) remember when it was simple and we just hunted Wendigoes? And Dean reminded him that it was not simple.

I don't see him as pining so much as how Sam missed Jess: knowing that he couldn't have it back, but still wanting it, still wanting to return to it. In a way, it'll be nice, because it'll be Dean who finally wants it, finally gets what Sam was raving about and had for four years, while Sam's all, "No way man, I'm twenty-~~six~~ seven, and we have a road to haul." I think it could be good. And I think that it could come full circle, that it could be Dean that brings Sam back to the safe life. Not normal, as Sam said in season 1. But safe.

Here's hoping!

~Nebula

Husband... oh yikes. The more they keep revealing what's coming up, the more I want to watch reruns of season one.

I've liked most of the re- occurring characters, I'll probably grow to love Lisa, also but we've seen her briefly in two or three episodes. It seems like a huge hole in the myth arch.

I think Sam is more dependent on Dean than Dean is on him. And since the beginning of season 2, Sam has been all about Dean. I also think why people might think otherwise is probably because the brothers don't express it the same way. Dean is much more blatant while Sam just seeps it quietly and doesn’t wear it on his sleeves. Sam needs Dean in his life or else, he'd fall apart completely. All that crap he did and went through in season 3 & 4 all comes back to Dean. Sam couldn't stand on his own two feet when Dean died. Dean will fare loads better than Sam ever did. And how is Sam stirring Dean in the direction that he knows Dean desires inside and deserves if he wants it not Sam appreciating Dean? If he didn't, he wouldn't be concerned about his well being nor would he try everything including using Dean's devotion to him to keep Dean from doing something stupid like trying to bring him back again and instead, go live the life they deserve.
IMHO, Sam has treated Dean no worse or better than Dean has treated him. They love each other. And people who really love each other don't keep tabs on who did what and when and expect payback. They are both different people and show their love differently. And if you really look at it, they are both selfish people. All things they do for each other, selling their souls, saving each other, loving each other and whatnot were done because they wanted to be with each other and it was done for themselves. Dean sold his soul to bring Sam back because he couldn't live without him, felt guilty over living instead of their dad, and because of his sense of duty to 'Dad’s order of saving Sammy.' And Sam tried to sell his soul to anyone, because he couldn't live without his brother, felt guilty over his brother going to hell for him, and started using his powers to get rid of that guilt and despair by training to kill Lilith who sent his brother to hell with Ruby. On the surface, it all seems very selfless and oh so heartwarming and awww, but they really are all selfish reasons they and only they benefit from. I believe they are heroes and are capable of being selfless and have done so countless of times, but when it comes to each other, they are far from that. One isn't the better brother because they sold their soul to the hell for the other nor because they made the sacrifice of jumping into the hole with Lucifer. Actually letting Sam jump into that hole was the one selfless thing Dean has done in relation to Sam even though he would rather die himself because he got nothing but a broken heart and 0 benefits. And the most selfless thing Sam has done in relation to Dean was actually in No rest for the Wicked when Dean asked him to stop and just let him die instead of try and use his powers to save him and he did it for Dean even though every fiber of his being was begging him to try. But that didn't last long.

The one thing i love about the brothers is how they relate to each other like bees and a field of flowers. They give and take like in a symbiotic relationship. Their words, their actions, every and anything they do and are brings out a reaction in the other. I find it so fascinating. I don't care much for either Sam or Dean on a stand-alone level nearly or even close to how much i care and love them as the functional and dysfunctional unit they are. Sure, the individuals they are, are the necessary ingredients that creates the wonderful fireworks that erupts when they are together.

I don't think Dean has ever been a loser nor ever will be. Reducing him to that one word is like calling the holocaust a misunderstanding. And i don't think ultimately the writers nor the show ever had that intention as their final product. I think it is all just fans perspective in the end. It would be terribly out of character for Dean to dump Lisa simply because Sam is back. And if he ever did it, it wouldn't be without reason. And if he ever did dump her without reason, he wouldn't be the only one who will look like a jerk. Sam will be as much to blame. In all honesty, i think it WILL be like season 1 where Sam was reluctant to go with Dean and only went because he wanted to find Jessica's killer which meant finding dad. He was torn about hunting but it never meant he didn't love his brother and didn't want to be with him and wasn't glad about Dean being him. On the contrary. Without Dean, Sam would have gone Mystery Spot or died doing something stupid due to his grief and anger.
SO i think it will be the same way with Dean. Dean WILL be torn about going back to hunting, but it wouldn't mean he doesn't want to be with his brother and is happy to have his brother by his side. I think the problem is people trying to separate both sides when they mesh perfectly. And just like Sam's reason was the death of Jessica, there will be a reason to why he would have to leave and go with Sam. And just like Sam had Dean to help him deal with his grief and pain and anger, and hurt, Dean will have Sam to help him too. That is the callback to the first season I think the writers are talking about it.
And just like you, I too think the brothers still have a lot of issues to deal with in their relationship. it was never fully repaired by the end of season 5. They had to leave something for season 6 me thinks. But i think it is no different from season 1 again in that respect. Sam & Dean weren't perfect. Dean was the more experienced hunter who stayed behind for the family and Sam left for college and was no longer a teenager but a grown man when him and Dean reconnected. The dynamics had changed and they had to get used to each other and find a working system while dealing with their issues.
Sam thing will happen. New issues, same brothers. What happened in the finale that was important was the unconditional love and support that they showed and accepted from each other. That place they reached will help them start to heal and serve as the foundation for any kinks they still have to work out in their relationship. I for can't wait to watch out this aspect with Dean in the reverse position this time around. It would be nice now that they've both worked a mile in each other's shoes: Sam has been to hell like Dean, Dean has had to live without Sam for a long period just like Sam had to do without Dean, Dean has tasted "normal life" like Sam had, they both have PTSD(as far as i'm concerned, simply from being Sam & Dean Winchester long before Dean went to hell and Sam watched his brother die in front of his eyes, helpless to do anything) Sam has experienced the pain of having your loved one walk out on you and leave just like Dean had to experience every time Sam walked out on him. I think all this shared experiences will bring them much closer and help them heal. Of course like i said, this is just my own fan perspective. I am that optimistic.

LOL, I didn't even see that part. My brain stopped at 'husband.'

No, no. Dean's not married to Lisa. Ausiello said "I keed, I keed" after that. He was joking, but he's not very witty in his delivery.

No, no. Dean's not married to Lisa (thank god!). Ausiello said "I keed, I keed" after that. He was joking, but he's not very witty in his delivery.

I guess the difference I see is that Jess was dead. Sam couldn't go back to her. But with Dean, Lisa is still alive and out there and he can go back to her, so that's why I fear the pining, depressed Dean, wishing he were somewhere else than with his brother. I've just had enough of him being unhappy and depressed, and if this becomes another wedge that comes between Sam and Dean (because Sam took him away from his apple pie life) I'm really going to be upset. They've been at odds with each other for too long and I was hoping S6 would be a fresh start for them both.

So if the writers want to be fair and care about how it's going to look when Dean leaves, they can still have the brothers being happy to be together with Sam being the one to offer the shoulder this time whenever Dean misses Lisa and Ben.

I truly hope that's the way it works out, because if there's more anger or resentment between them for another entire season I'm through.

that one reason Dean leaves to go back to the hunt is that it may be dangerous for him to stay with Lisa and Ben given whatever the heck is going on that requires the boys to hit the road again.

That's pretty much everyone's thought now, so that's probably how it's going to work out. Though I wonder who or what they run across that puts things in motion. The new Big Bad for the season?

I'm not saying change is a bad thing. With no character growth it would be boring. But Sera keeps saying that season six will be more intimate and focus on Sam and Dean. Yet instead we're adding in several recurring characters and now we'll probably have yet another wedge driven between Sam and Dean because Sam pulls Dean away from Lisa and Ben. Not exactly what I was hoping for when Sera kept referencing season one. To me, that's the brothers working together, on the road, fighting ghosts and vampires. The formula that made the show a success in the first place, and why I fell in love with it.

Maybe they will burn her on the ceiling?!

LOL! We can only hope!

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